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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg on with gene and

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Chris with the power cast again we're

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gonna focus on topic other than UFOs I

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mean for the past eight years this show

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has been on eight years can you believe

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it

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we've been regarded as the UFO show but

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that's not always true and we'll make a

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further exception this way but I wanted

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to address something in last week's

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that's about opinions you know opinions

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are a dime a dozen facts are not but

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that's another story but the point here

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is that any reasoned opinion may be as

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valid as anyone elses reasoned opinion

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so in our discussion last week featuring

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Loren Coleman the cryptozoologist we

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spent a couple of minutes talking about

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gun control where he presented some of

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his views not the entire issue which is

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very polarizing but just a few things

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and I chimed in a little bit and Chris

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chimed in a little bit and then I see in

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our forums that some people said upon

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hearing that they stopped listening to

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the show now I understand it wasn't a

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show about gun control we were talking

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about the studies that Lauren is made

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into serial killers in relation to the

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book he did some years back called

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copycat so gun control does get into the

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picture it was a quick discussion and we

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moved away from it but the people who

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stopped listening at that point because

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we said something they might have

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disagreed with missed out and everything

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else that's really unfortunate yeah well

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what can you do it doesn't matter what

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we say on this show somebody's not gonna

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like it or they'll accuse me of how

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we're Marvel from my mouth Ruru think

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that I rode your sonic our marble for my

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mouth I'm thinking we should have a

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contest for the best Gabby Hayes

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imitator does anybody care about that

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does anybody even remember that behaves

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forget it but that's the point they

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us for having too many commercials but

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we have the same number as any other

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commercial radio show I mean some have

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asked us and I'll address is very

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quickly some have asked us if we could

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offer an ad-free version for a premium

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price you know maybe a dollar a to an

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I'm not against the prospect I am urging

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GCN to consider it seriously and they

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have nothing to announce but I do get

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the impression they are looking at that

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as a potential moneymaker for them too

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so that may happen I'm not gonna promise

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anything we've also talked from time to

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time about doing a premium version of

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the para cast for our forums with

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additional content you'd pay a monthly

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or annual subscription fee it's still in

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the cards but I want to wait to see what

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happens with the ad free version of the

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para cast as it is now if it's

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distributed free it's gotta include

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everything including the ads that's what

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the network mandates and that's what we

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follow meantime you know I want to ask

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this of Chris and I know you and I have

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we had that major episode with you and

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David Perkins on cattle mutilations do

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ufo-related figures on the show do I

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think we go too far no I don't think we

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merrier I'd like to get more experiences

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compelling and I also think that people

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personal experiences as opposed to

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opinions so that may be one avenue that

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experiences on but no I don't think we I

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the reality shows I mean the big example

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this hanger one TV show which uses the

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the MUFON Journal but the point I see in

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sightings that don't have easy

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his widow claiming that Gleason told him

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that he and Nixon went and saw alien

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that we could actually check there were

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indication that the producers of the

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show are more interested in in the

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entertainment aspect of the program then

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in in factuality and getting things

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listening audience with some facts that

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they can look into further and in that's

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and in unfortunately MUFON has been

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lasting into a place where they're not I

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questionable claims and in cases that

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you can't really prove or disprove but

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that that was pretty much a way for the

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town of Aurora to get themselves back on

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the map when the railroad passed them by

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investigations that have gone on looking

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into that case and nobody has ever come

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up with anything solid on it so to pawn

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it's disingenuous you know I think I'll

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wonder just what MUFON is director Jan

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mean it's obvious they're concentrating

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Steven Greer that's a good one right I

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about the fact that MUFON over the years

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organization and why they're going that

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to time alright today it's not UFOs but

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today we have a first-class guest as

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always on the para cast Chris tell us

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about him

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well I've known about Lloyd our backs

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work for many years he's one of our most

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widely recognized paranormal experts and

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this guy really is the real deal

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he's currently adjunct professor at JFK

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University for integral studies he's

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been involved he's written numerous

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numerous books he's been involved in the

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paranormal going on 35 40 years of

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first saw him on on TV and and saw

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a time or two and and he he's on the

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board of directors of the Ryan Research

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of course that's one of our premier

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most well known I think paranormal

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investigators and he's really a really

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good author he does the field work he

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does these studies and he's accepted in

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academia as a as a as a real pair of

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psychologist and and I think it's gonna

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some of these shows that we've been

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talking about and and some of the the

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pop culture programming that's going on

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that is varying a way from the more

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scientific academic study of these

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subjects and going off into the to the

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realm of entertainment so it's it's a

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real pleasure to have Lloyd on the show

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today and we're gonna learn a lot Lloyd

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Auerbach joining gene and Chris you're

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in the para cast first game attack of

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the rockets and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there is the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rock odes calm that's

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Rockets are Ock oids calm so here's what

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happened I was placing an order online

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the site went down it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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it will stay online at iWeb your site is

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rep at iWeb comm use the promo code tech

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Nite Owl for a special discount

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myk's dinners and fremitus resources and

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no time in history have precious metals

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been more important certainly not in my

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22 years in the industry the dollar has

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lost over 90% of its value in the last

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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government printing presses ours is not

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immune the time is now to be proactive

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1-866 to 237 extension 1 1 6 anything

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tied to the dollar is at risk

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CDs annuities 401 k's IRA stocks bonds

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you name it so decide do you want to

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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

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your family the choice is yours call me

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a 1-800 six eight six to 237 extension

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one one six that's one eight hundred six

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eight six two two three seven extension

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one one six be proactive not reactive

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call

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the door in my face on behavioral

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therapist Janet Lehman behavior problems

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podcast.com on the power cast this week

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we welcome our normal researcher Lloyd

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Auerbach and we're going to focus on a

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tremendous amount of information about

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his history in the field and case

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histories I'm all sorts of things and

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we'll also ask the questions that you've

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posed in our forums that forum dr. Perik

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a stop boy welcome to the power cast

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thanks very much

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now this is a question we asked just

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about anyone who's new to the show and

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that is how you got started and I think

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of the scenario where a child is asked

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by his parents what do you want to be

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when you grow up and I'm not sure what I

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said I think a radio broadcast Chris a

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musician maybe yeah I want to be all

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things to all people there you go all

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right Lloyd if you were asked that

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question at 10 years old what would you

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have answered at 10 years old it

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probably would have said an

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astrogeologist an astrogeologist cool

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like harrison schmitt

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i was just interested in astronomy and

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geology those were my two two major

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areas as a kid although I always had an

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interest in folklore and mythology and

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the ghosts and things as well

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were there any experiences of yours or

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your family or friends that made you

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hone in on these subjects no it was

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really actually getting started in

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reading the science books about

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parapsychology partly because there's so

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many TV programs that kept pointing me

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in that direction especially dark

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shadows so I started going to the

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library and reading about the folklore

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because it was folklore about vampires

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and worlds from dark shadows but I also

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thanks to the Dewey Decimal System

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discovered the books by JB Rhine and JG

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Pratt and a number of other people in

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the field and since I was a little

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science geek that just kind of captured

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my attention so from there when you

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finally reach the point where you're

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getting your education your advanced

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education and entering the workforce

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what decisions did you make well through

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high school I

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was supported in my interest in

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parapsychology by the physics and earth

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science teachers we actually had a

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parapsychology club in my high school

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that I started and I got to meet people

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like dr. Montague almond and dr.

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Gertrude smile there both of whom were

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very act in the field at that time

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through one of my neighbors they lived

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in our area in Westchester County and

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they really encouraged me I met Hans

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Holzer I met people at the ASPR in New

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York I was advised at every turn from

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everyone from jb ryan by letter at on

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down to study some kind of science

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social or physical science and then

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focus graduate work in parapsychology I

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actually started out at Northwestern in

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the Astronomy Department switched over

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to anthropology because it was a better

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fit for me and then as timing wise has

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it happened I was finishing up College

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just as they were starting a Graduate

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parapsychology program at JFK University

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here in California as I was going

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through originally intended to be a

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researcher in the laboratory although as

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very interested in field investigation

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and did a number of field investigations

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as well by the end of my education I

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realized that I wasn't really interested

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in sitting in a lab doing trials and

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runs of experiments as much and and when

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I got out because my family has

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significant background in television and

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radio I found myself in a position to

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get a consultants job at the American

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Society for psychical research pretty

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much almost out of grad school helping

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with media outreach and public outreach

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for the ASPR just parenthetically in

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what years were you at Northwestern I

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was there 74 to 78 wasn't that around

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the time dr. Hynek was there well

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actually that's kind of the reason why I

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went to Northwestern when it came right

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down to it I was also interesting UFOs

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at the time and as I was visiting

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colleges for a Stronach cuz I was

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interested figuring on going for

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astronomy as I was looking at astronomy

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at northwestern was kind of at the top

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of my list of universities coming from

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the New York area partly because my

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uncle had gone to school there and

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partly because after visiting the school

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it was one of the was a beautiful most

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beautiful place I've been to most

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beautiful school I went to and Hynek was

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just kind of icing on the

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cake and I got spots time to spend time

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with him

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as a junior in high school I visited

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there and he met with me to you know

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talk about the Astronomy Department and

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I knew he was certainly read his books

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and then when I got home that night

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actually was interesting that the

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amazing Kreskin had a TV series on at

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the time and Hynek with the guests that

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night so it kind of sealed the deal for

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me okay but you moved away from UFOs

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yeah I totally moved away from your

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thought yeah I just there is I have

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still had an interest in it through

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college with and I even volunteered at

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the Center for UFO studies in his house

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for the first year but frankly I just

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couldn't the bandwidth is not there to

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study UFOs and parapsychology you know

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whole-hog okay why did you go to

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parapsychology whole-hog the reason I

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mentioned that is because as we know the

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UFO field is very polarized some people

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regarded as toxic I've had a love-hate

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relationship with it over the years and

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so I understand when people say I've had

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enough of this nonsense let me get to

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something else no I was but I was always

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interested in parapsychology

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parapsychology was my goal UFOs were

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just an interest so the it really was

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not that I'm switching from studying

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UFOs to studying parapsychology I was

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always going for Paris like God

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specifically what types of events most

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attract your attention well I'm actually

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more of a generalist in the field no

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though I'm known for being a field

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investigator and researcher looking at

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apparitions hauntings and poltergeists

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and those certainly hold my attention

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I'm pretty much a generalist I'm

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interested in all forms of psychic

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experience and I've written about all

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forms of psychic experience pretty much

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over the years and done some research

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and a number of them and I teach

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parapsychology have been since 83 again

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on pretty much all forms of psychic

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experience and research and such that's

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also interesting in relationship to the

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UFO thing and that is you don't see much

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academic attention serious academic

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attention at real institutions about

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UFOs but you do see general

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parapsychology studies

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actually don't see parapsychology

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studies at institutions United States

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but obviously you've found places that

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did do that I John F Kennedy University

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was has been the only accredited

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master's program in parapsychology in

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the u.s. pretty much ever and

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unfortunately because of financial and

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some political issues in the late 1980s

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the program ended on the only other

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person who got a parapsychology degree

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at all in the United States was Jeffrey

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Mishlove who actually worked out an

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independent study at UC Berkeley

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and during his dissertation panel and

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the final panel they pretty much made

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the announcement they never going to do

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it again because it was too

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controversial and we we we actually

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tried I'm Altamont faculty at a school

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called wall school called Atlantic

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University which is mainly transpersonal

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psychology it's out of Virginia Beach I

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teach an online parapsychology class and

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we tried actually getting the distance

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education Training Council to look at

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and for the purpose of approval a

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scientific in a science-based master's

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program in parapsychology which was

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actually heavily based on the one JFK

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had and they refused to look at the

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proposal in fact they asked her if they

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wanted us to petition them to look at

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the proposal and then after Nancy's and

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groaning dr. Nancy Negroni put together

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a hell of a petition including letters

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from Nobel Prize winners it was turned

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down the the official reason was that it

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was too controversial a subject for them

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to consider

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obviously academics cannot explore

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controversial subjects because they

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might discover something that's

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controversial and not normally accepted

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I'm being sarcastic let's do our break

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wait our back joins us this week and

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this is just the beginning we're kind of

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framing the background we'll get into

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his research is on the scene

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investigations and so much more with

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[Music]

644
00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:15,460
loyd our back is joining us this week

645
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we're going to focus on his

646
00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:19,990
parapsychology research and we starting

647
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up here with his background and the fact

648
00:27:27,870 --> 00:27:25,170
that he's one of the few academics

649
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:27,880
involved in this subject does that make

650
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:30,100
it easier for you to reach out to people

651
00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:32,890
in doing research well it depends on

652
00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:35,140
what you mean by reaching out you know

653
00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:38,380
there's no funding to speak of for my

654
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work which is field investigation there

655
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is very little funding for even the

656
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:44,380
laboratory research here in the United

657
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States so I can't say it's easy to reach

658
00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:48,940
out it's easy for pretty much to reach

659
00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:51,220
out to the general public but to reach

660
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:52,750
out to other folks in other fields of

661
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,850
science there is so much academic

662
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prejudice that even those people who

663
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have privately told us either

664
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individually or as a group that they are

665
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interested in in the subject and

666
00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:04,090
interested in looking at the questions

667
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,100
they can't admit it in front of their

668
00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:07,840
colleagues for fear of ridicule and even

669
00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:11,020
losing their jobs so it's the subject

670
00:28:16,049 --> 00:28:13,030
that is not just controversial

671
00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:16,059
it's literally taboo for people to even

672
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:18,460
talk about in the halls of academia for

673
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fear of absolute ridicule or losing

674
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their jobs that doesn't make it easy now

675
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:27,190
let me ask you here there's obviously a

676
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:29,470
lot of pop culture focus on the

677
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paranormal yeah ghost hunters type shows

678
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:36,610
you have the movies over the years that

679
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:38,860
have involved some sort of ghost or

680
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:41,610
paranormal phenomena like poltergeist

681
00:28:47,730 --> 00:28:44,710
they have framed a lot of the opinions

682
00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:47,740
of the general public and I know we had

683
00:28:52,169 --> 00:28:49,540
this discussion in our first segment

684
00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:52,179
before you came on with regard to a UFO

685
00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:55,059
oriented show hangar one which is

686
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connected to MUFON and that is that they

687
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,640
emphasize cases that are sensational not

688
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:03,520
factual do you think that all these

689
00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:06,610
paranormal shows have helped or hindered

690
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:08,980
research because of the fact that it's

691
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:10,780
entertainment and they're not always

692
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interested in the factual material just

693
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:16,090
as stuff that gets ratings well I think

694
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:18,850
that probably the ghost shows haven't

695
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,070
hindered research so much haven't even

696
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:22,960
really affected the academic opinion of

697
00:29:25,170 --> 00:29:24,280
parapsychology because they because I

698
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:25,180
think

699
00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:28,750
the ghost hunters especially so-so avoid

700
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,400
talking about parapsychology could

701
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:31,360
mainly because they don't know anything

702
00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:33,310
about the subject that they've kind of

703
00:29:38,370 --> 00:29:34,840
distance themselves from us which is a

704
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:38,380
good thing on the other hand some of the

705
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:41,170
shows as good and as real as some

706
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:42,310
psychics who have been on television

707
00:29:48,690 --> 00:29:47,110
have been the skepticism the commentary

708
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:48,700
the frauds that have also appeared on

709
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:50,980
television and in the public all of

710
00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:52,810
that's probably hurt us a lot more than

711
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,750
the ghost shows have done where the

712
00:29:58,980 --> 00:29:57,520
ghost shows unfortunately do hurt us

713
00:30:01,500 --> 00:29:58,990
actually does it hurt us on what it

714
00:30:04,770 --> 00:30:01,510
hurts the general public in forming the

715
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,780
opinions of people when they have an

716
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:07,080
experience that leads them to

717
00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:12,220
conclusions that are absolutely not true

718
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:14,620
and fear inducing so it actually causes

719
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:17,050
psychological damage if somebody sees

720
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,030
something on TV that leads them to or in

721
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:20,640
a movie that leads them to believe that

722
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,840
just seeing an apparition in their house

723
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:25,360
or hearing footsteps means that their

724
00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:27,910
house has a demon in it and they get

725
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:29,680
terrified and there's all sorts of straw

726
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:31,810
trauma and stress it also leads people

727
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:33,490
to make misinterpretations that they

728
00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:36,730
probably had not made before call Sylvia

729
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:39,280
Browne yeah that'd be hard now since

730
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:41,650
she's dead although well maybe that's

731
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:43,090
the point maybe what we should be doing

732
00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:45,310
here is calling her up and getting her

733
00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:48,580
reaction now I say half seriously you

734
00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:51,160
know maybe we should channel Steve Jobs

735
00:30:54,390 --> 00:30:52,750
and see what Apple is really planning

736
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:54,400
for the next few years since a lot of

737
00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:55,930
those plans were put into motion while

738
00:31:00,510 --> 00:30:57,910
he was still alive but I'm not saying

739
00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:00,520
that seriously okay so these TV shows

740
00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:02,680
you say aren't really having much of an

741
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:04,830
impact but don't they create maybe

742
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:06,730
misconceptions as to what's going on

743
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:08,680
yeah not in the halls it not with the

744
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:10,030
academics because most the academics

745
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:11,140
don't watch those shows yeah it

746
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:12,730
certainly with the general public again

747
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:14,800
there's a lot of damage that's been done

748
00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:16,780
and the way people interpret their

749
00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:18,100
experiences whether they're really

750
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:20,380
paranormal or not much more than

751
00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:23,650
anything else and that in itself is an

752
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:25,990
issue so it's one of those things that

753
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,080
you really can't you can't gauge the

754
00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:30,880
full impact of things out there

755
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:33,700
unfortunately I can tell you that where

756
00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:35,560
the harm has been also has been

757
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:37,780
generating frankly thousands and

758
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:38,800
thousands of hobbies'

759
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:40,510
ghost hunters who pretend on the

760
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:41,920
internet and elsewhere to be

761
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:43,510
professionals and scientists and they

762
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:45,940
have no training in in parapsychology no

763
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:47,920
training in science in fact misleading

764
00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:49,570
people misleading themselves causing

765
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,180
false interpretations causing a lot of

766
00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:55,360
damage and making people think that this

767
00:31:59,100 --> 00:31:57,340
is what parapsychology is on occasion

768
00:32:01,170 --> 00:31:59,110
there is that confusion just like

769
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:01,180
psychics back in the 60s and 70s used to

770
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:03,490
call themselves parapsychologists often

771
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:04,660
because they didn't know any better and

772
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:06,610
that created a problem for us because

773
00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:07,810
everybody seemed to think that all of us

774
00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:10,600
were psychic to know Wow

775
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:13,000
I would personally feel that these ghost

776
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:16,690
shows are just basically entertainment I

777
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,870
don't really see anything worth you know

778
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:22,000
any value really coming out of them

779
00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:23,890
other than the intent the entertainment

780
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:26,560
aspect and and I you know I agree with

781
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:28,290
you Lloyd I think these shows are really

782
00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:31,240
creating a monster out there with all

783
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:34,180
these hobbyists going out there and you

784
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:37,330
know even if they do investigate a case

785
00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:40,570
that's valid and has some real bite to

786
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:43,000
it oftentimes they're going to be doing

787
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:44,590
more harm than good I think with the

788
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:46,270
with the people that are experiencing

789
00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:48,040
these these things I really want answers

790
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:50,560
and that's why it's really unfortunate

791
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:54,280
that we don't have academia turning out

792
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:56,290
people that are you know have the tools

793
00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:58,210
and the and you know you know the

794
00:33:01,980 --> 00:32:59,980
knowledge and the wherewithal to go out

795
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:01,990
and help people it's creating a monster

796
00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:04,690
I really think yeah summer sex a bigger

797
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:06,220
problem because you kind of hit the nail

798
00:33:10,650 --> 00:33:07,570
on the head about turning out people

799
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,660
were trained several of us have courses

800
00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:13,360
and material and try to help try to

801
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:15,220
train people I do train people I have a

802
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:17,050
investigation of course I've taught of

803
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:18,490
course I've taught through the Ryan

804
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:19,900
Education Center the Ryan Research

805
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:21,820
Center I teach my own distance learning

806
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:23,890
in local courses through a place here in

807
00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:26,470
Northern California so I do train people

808
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:28,660
some scattered people here around the

809
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:31,090
country but the fact is that when you

810
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:32,440
try to address these ghosts hundred

811
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:34,270
groups these other folks the shows have

812
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:38,050
gotten to them somehow to be thinking

813
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:39,550
that they've been fully trained by

814
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:42,340
watching a TV show and that they don't

815
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:44,520
either don't need any further training

816
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,830
or or sometimes I hear back that how in

817
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:49,120
the world could I possibly train people

818
00:33:52,259 --> 00:33:50,980
and studying something that nobody can

819
00:33:53,609 --> 00:33:52,269
identify where the

820
00:33:55,589 --> 00:33:53,619
invisible you know that's like saying

821
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well you might as well not teach anybody

822
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or train anyone or work with anyone who

823
00:34:01,199 --> 00:33:59,499
supposedly studies quantum physics

824
00:34:02,849 --> 00:34:01,209
because you can't see that you can't

825
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,859
detect it it's all mathematical and

826
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:05,440
inferential so we have these people who

827
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disdain training teaching being taught

828
00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:11,109
anything I in fact recently I was

829
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talking about some some course that was

830
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offered by the Rhine Center and someone

831
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who basically said he's been around this

832
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field for 40 years and the guy is like

833
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45 years old so he's been around since

834
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he was five years old of course

835
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professionally that's the way he was

836
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putting it he he said how can you teach

837
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,520
any of this stuff and haven't you chart

838
00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:32,079
how dare you charge money for teaching

839
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:32,710
any of this stuff

840
00:34:35,819 --> 00:34:34,569
and the guys actually going out the

841
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conference isn't charging money for

842
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speaking so you get a lot of people who

843
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,569
have a lot of their own personal ego

844
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:42,730
involved I've met so many ghost hunters

845
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:44,409
who claim that they're making a TV pilot

846
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because their goal is to get on

847
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:46,899
television it seems

848
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and while these show should be

849
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entertainment the people on the shows

850
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the reality stars when they speak to

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these folks to their fans they they

852
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don't push the entertainment agenda they

853
00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:01,440
push it as reality

854
00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:05,980
ya know boy now if I'm watching these TV

855
00:35:10,319 --> 00:35:08,859
shows this is my diet of paranormal

856
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:10,329
information I'm watching the ghost

857
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:12,010
hunters and let's focus this on the

858
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individual and just let you know we have

859
00:35:18,269 --> 00:35:15,579
to do our break in about a minute and a

860
00:35:20,549 --> 00:35:18,279
half so this may be a longer answer what

861
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,559
am I seeing on those shows that isn't

862
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,599
true

863
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:24,880
well being misinformed well let's start

864
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:27,839
with number one parapsychologist and any

865
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,490
scientists would never ever investigate

866
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:32,880
something by turning all the lights our

867
00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:35,410
especially especially in circumstances

868
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:37,420
where the people never even saw the

869
00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:39,609
ghost with the lights out so that's

870
00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:41,619
number one number two you're seeing a

871
00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:43,480
lot of misinterpretation and misuse of

872
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Technology

873
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:47,069
yeah and the misapplication and

874
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misunderstanding that the technology

875
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somehow detects ghost or paranormal

876
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:52,539
phenomena at all because it doesn't do

877
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:56,170
that you're seeing people on some of the

878
00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:58,630
shows completely dismiss the witnesses

879
00:36:03,029 --> 00:36:01,000
because hey that's you know anecdotal

880
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,039
evidence in the meantime they talk to

881
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:04,480
one person who tells them the story of

882
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:05,600
the place and

883
00:36:10,570 --> 00:36:07,070
they have their own experiences which of

884
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:10,580
course is anecdotal evidence and a top

885
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:12,440
of everything else you're seeing people

886
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:13,490
on TV

887
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:15,650
apparently investigating something in 22

888
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,420
minutes that really would take about 30

889
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:19,760
hours away they're shooting it they have

890
00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:21,860
to compress it of course they do they

891
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:23,420
have to compress it they've got to fit

892
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this into as you say 22 minutes for half

893
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hour show 43 minutes for a one-hour show

894
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look I'm beginning to middle to end let

895
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me break

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our back is joining gene and Chris we're

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999
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this is the wrong flower cluster of the

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UFO encyclopedias other books you're

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we were doing a little bit of

1002
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myth-busting there with Lloyd Auerbach

1003
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our guest this week showing you the

1004
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things that you need to unlearn if you

1005
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take those reality shows too seriously

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1007
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watches every so often about house

1008
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1009
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looking for a new home they see three

1010
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homes and at the end of the segment they

1011
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have to choose which one they're going

1012
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to buy and that has about as much

1013
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resemblance to reality as using a trip

1014
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to the moon to find your home in Las

1015
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Vegas right and I actually talked to

1016
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somebody who worked on one of those done

1017
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:52,180
worked on this show who said that a lot

1018
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:53,320
of times I check the homes already

1019
00:41:58,890 --> 00:41:56,670
purchased by those folks when they do it

1020
00:42:00,840 --> 00:41:58,900
so what they do then is they kind of

1021
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:00,850
work backwards then they work backwards

1022
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:02,590
right yeah I mean the reality the

1023
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:04,600
reality reality shows is the production

1024
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:06,580
people run the shows not the people on

1025
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:07,780
the shows that's number one so

1026
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:09,850
especially in the paranormal shows I've

1027
00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:11,260
done a lot of television over the years

1028
00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:13,420
and I've had my show at my bits

1029
00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:15,100
compressed the things we've done

1030
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,260
compressed quite a bit but the fact is

1031
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,640
that you could do it right or you can do

1032
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:20,800
it for sensationalism or you can make

1033
00:42:24,270 --> 00:42:22,420
stuff up and on some of the shows they

1034
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,280
actually make stuff up what are typical

1035
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:26,640
examples of the things that they make up

1036
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,590
well there have been instances on the

1037
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:31,960
Internet accusing certain people on a

1038
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:33,910
couple the shows of faking physical

1039
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:36,460
phenomena that's happened so in one I

1040
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:39,370
mean I can think of one in which one of

1041
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:41,590
the Ghost Hunters was supposedly touched

1042
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or hit on the back and there was a real

1043
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:45,640
question it's even the video was

1044
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:47,290
analyzed so quite a bit showing that

1045
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:48,610
that really didn't happen the way that

1046
00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:50,580
he claimed I'll give you another example

1047
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:53,590
the mas Beach distillery which is a

1048
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:54,970
restaurant here in San Francisco that

1049
00:43:00,030 --> 00:42:56,410
I've investigated and worked with since

1050
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:00,040
1991 it's a real case and we've had many

1051
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:02,050
many witnesses and even had phenomena

1052
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:04,390
happen in front of us over the years and

1053
00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:06,820
when the place was place had to be torn

1054
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,500
apart and put back together in 97

1055
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,720
because of earthquake safety and part of

1056
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:11,680
that because I've been work with the

1057
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:13,930
owner was to put in some recreation

1058
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:17,560
effects which are just kind of recreate

1059
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:18,760
some of the things people have reported

1060
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:20,320
but actually some a couple of things

1061
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:22,210
that be reported years before and aren't

1062
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:24,370
even going on anymore and we set them up

1063
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:26,260
so that we knew exactly where they were

1064
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and they

1065
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weren't in the spots that people had

1066
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:29,380
seen the ghost or seen that goes do

1067
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these effects and anyone who actually

1068
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:33,070
looked at these things would know right

1069
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,840
off the bat they were special effects it

1070
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was kind of for fun and to kind of as

1071
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the alternative to what the owner had

1072
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:39,910
originally asked me was how do I get you

1073
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:41,290
know he wanted me to ask the ghosts to

1074
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do more stuff and since I couldn't hire

1075
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,610
the ghost to do that it wasn't really

1076
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useful they weren't available their

1077
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agent hunch o'clock you know and how do

1078
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you pay him so anyway in 2008 ghost

1079
00:43:59,130 --> 00:43:56,619
hunters did a show about it as it

1080
00:44:00,300 --> 00:43:59,140
happens months before and about a week

1081
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:00,310
before they were actually at the

1082
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,110
distillery I got a call from one of the

1083
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:04,140
producers from pilgrim Productions

1084
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:06,730
asking about another location that Jason

1085
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:07,930
and grant were going to which was the

1086
00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:09,580
Presidio Officers Club here in San

1087
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:11,140
Francisco and when I asked where else

1088
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:12,460
they were going they starting say they

1089
00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:14,290
were going to the stiller II and I and I

1090
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:16,840
said to the guy directly then you guys

1091
00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:18,250
know all about the special effects make

1092
00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:20,200
sure that they're all turned off and he

1093
00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:22,300
said yeah we know all about those so the

1094
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:24,820
show goes on and they pretend like they

1095
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:26,170
don't know anything about the effects

1096
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,150
which by the way a Google search would

1097
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:29,680
have brought up reference to the effects

1098
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:32,530
and the a to the top 10 the first 10

1099
00:44:35,849 --> 00:44:33,970
stories that came up and everyone in the

1100
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,859
bay area pretty much knew about them so

1101
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:37,119
they they claimed they didn't know

1102
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:39,570
anything they turned the show into a

1103
00:44:47,490 --> 00:44:43,930
show exposing a hoax that the owner had

1104
00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:47,500
deliberately invited them there to fake

1105
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:48,790
out ghost hunters to get more publicity

1106
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:52,630
and the truth is so far from that it's

1107
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:56,140
crazy because first a was not a secret B

1108
00:45:00,720 --> 00:44:58,690
the owner didn't invite them the Perdue

1109
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:00,730
production people scour the location

1110
00:45:05,849 --> 00:45:04,180
they find locations they also Jason and

1111
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:05,859
grant found one of the first things they

1112
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:07,180
found was the only effect that actually

1113
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,470
wasn't turned off was one that only

1114
00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:10,480
triggers if you open the ladies room

1115
00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:12,550
door a certain number of times it was a

1116
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,340
giggle out of a speaker above the door

1117
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,960
and then a face appearing in a mirror

1118
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:19,260
which is clearly not a real face and

1119
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:21,430
they found the speaker for the giggle

1120
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:22,450
and then they start looking through the

1121
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:25,380
ceiling and they claimed that they found

1122
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:27,310
special effects speakers throughout the

1123
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:28,480
restaurant they actually found the PA

1124
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:30,460
system of the restaurant which is where

1125
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:31,930
you piped music in they didn't find

1126
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:33,910
anything else and they you know there's

1127
00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:35,170
a lot of bogus stuff that they didn't

1128
00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:36,460
even broke a couple of effects according

1129
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:39,340
to the owner so that was a situation

1130
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:40,630
where they absolutely

1131
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:42,370
they didn't have anything happening so

1132
00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:44,530
they had to have a story or this was

1133
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:46,750
just simply a good example of them

1134
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,700
showing hey we we expose fraud wherever

1135
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:50,560
we can in the meantime they didn't

1136
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:52,540
expose any of the special effects of the

1137
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:54,610
Queen Mary that are on their paid for

1138
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:57,400
ghost tour Wow which is where actually

1139
00:46:00,510 --> 00:45:59,170
where we got the idea for the effects

1140
00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:00,520
Wow Mary

1141
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:03,700
so it was selective and the distillery

1142
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:05,740
actually suffered quite a bit they the

1143
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:06,730
place was egged

1144
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,370
they got phony reservations they got

1145
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:11,200
hate calls I got tons of hate mail

1146
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:14,530
because I was basically blogging at the

1147
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:16,330
time I was watching the show explaining

1148
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:18,760
what was going on and icky and basically

1149
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:20,380
saying how is it that they in every

1150
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:21,790
other place they do research this place

1151
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:23,140
they didn't do any research now this

1152
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:25,390
thing that it's not worth doing research

1153
00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:26,680
because you don't want to be biased when

1154
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:29,560
you walk in so I I kind of called them

1155
00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:32,680
on their crap yeah it's like the pot

1156
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:36,100
calling the kettle black here it's crazy

1157
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,370
it's and the problem is that this could

1158
00:46:43,590 --> 00:46:41,440
have been completely done by the

1159
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:43,600
production people Jason and grant and

1160
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,950
most of the other folks on these shows

1161
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:46,800
have essentially ironclad

1162
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:49,630
non-disclosures they can't say they

1163
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:51,670
can't disagree with the show well you

1164
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:53,410
know that brings some I'm this others

1165
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,330
show that we mentioned from time to time

1166
00:47:02,250 --> 00:46:58,480
a one season program called chasing UFOs

1167
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:02,260
where one of the co-hosts James Fox who

1168
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:03,730
has done some really great work with

1169
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,290
document reason is currently working

1170
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:08,200
with Tracy Torme to do a new documentary

1171
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:12,310
about UFOs called 701 he basically

1172
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,230
attacked the show and attacked all the

1173
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:16,720
excesses and the errors and one of the

1174
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:19,710
other co-hosts did that as well yeah

1175
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:23,590
coming out I mean I'm sure they took a

1176
00:47:26,970 --> 00:47:25,450
chance that they wouldn't be sued and

1177
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:26,980
that's good that they haven't been

1178
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:28,570
because there been threats of lawsuits

1179
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:31,270
consistently and in fact the newer

1180
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:33,160
releases that these shows are putting

1181
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:35,470
out I've actually not done a few

1182
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:38,530
interviews because the release forms

1183
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:41,290
were frankly not only insulting saying

1184
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:42,760
that you know you have to know that we

1185
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:44,470
we may be humiliating you and that

1186
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,210
you're okay with that and you won't be

1187
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:48,160
able to sue us by the way and they also

1188
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:49,510
sign you to a non-disclosure where you

1189
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,890
can't even use the name of the show at

1190
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:52,960
all nor can you say anything negative

1191
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:54,490
about the show and

1192
00:47:57,089 --> 00:47:56,050
one release I recently saw said you

1193
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:57,099
can't say anything negative not only

1194
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,140
about the show but about the series and

1195
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,119
about the network so anybody who signs

1196
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:03,119
that if they say anything you know

1197
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:05,560
derogatory at all about the network the

1198
00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:07,810
show airs on is subject to legal action

1199
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:09,820
and they have no recourse whatsoever not

1200
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:13,839
even the First Amendment matter yeah it

1201
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:15,190
doesn't matter I mean yes they do that

1202
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,710
it wouldn't hold up in court frankly I

1203
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:19,599
know a lot of attorneys who looked at it

1204
00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:20,890
wouldn't hold him court but it could be

1205
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:22,420
very expensive to defend against because

1206
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:23,440
you're defending against a network

1207
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:25,240
that's got deep pockets yeah deep

1208
00:48:29,310 --> 00:48:27,369
pockets and a whole suite full of

1209
00:48:32,730 --> 00:48:29,320
lawyers just write it in for something

1210
00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:32,740
to do what they borrow those lawyers

1211
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:34,900
from Apple and Samsung we're so busy

1212
00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:36,609
suing each other you know when they have

1213
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:39,220
free time between lawsuits they handle

1214
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:42,010
the affairs of a TV network oh no

1215
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,020
there's plenty of TV lawyers who working

1216
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:46,960
for these places that love to raise hell

1217
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:48,070
on their own

1218
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:49,690
I even had a circumstance years ago with

1219
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:51,670
a show for Fox family before it got

1220
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:54,730
purchased by ABC Family where the

1221
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:56,530
non-disclosure was in place and I agreed

1222
00:48:59,820 --> 00:48:58,089
to change the non-disclosure to where I

1223
00:49:02,040 --> 00:48:59,830
wouldn't talk about the show until the

1224
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,050
show aired but you know I I'm critical

1225
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:03,760
of TV anama kinda you might say I'm a

1226
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:06,250
paranormal TV critic so that's part of

1227
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:09,130
my process and they ended up with I

1228
00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:11,560
ended up with the head of Fox the Fox

1229
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,440
legal department on the phone with me

1230
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,480
and it was really and the producer was

1231
00:49:21,089 --> 00:49:17,920
there too and it was pretty much a funny

1232
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:21,099
funny call because I said you know they

1233
00:49:23,609 --> 00:49:22,240
weren't paying me for the show for the

1234
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:23,619
interview and I was doing it as a favor

1235
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:25,930
for the location and the guy said well

1236
00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:27,430
don't you want to be on TV and and I

1237
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:28,780
started laughing and the producer

1238
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:29,950
actually started laughing who was on the

1239
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:32,230
phone to and I said I said you better

1240
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:34,270
tell him who I am and how much TV I'd

1241
00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:37,990
done and and after that when I just

1242
00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:39,460
basically said so let me let me get this

1243
00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:40,780
straight you want me to sign away my

1244
00:49:45,329 --> 00:49:43,320
rights just so the show will air twice

1245
00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:45,339
yeah and you're not paying me yeah I

1246
00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:48,790
don't think so yeah they let it go they

1247
00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:51,190
let me do what I wanted to do and that's

1248
00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:53,020
that's a real problem that you've just

1249
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:54,580
brought up I think with some of these

1250
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:57,250
shows is they just assume that they can

1251
00:50:02,010 --> 00:49:59,260
last sue anyone because they want to

1252
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:02,020
have their face on television and you

1253
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:04,930
know I my I've been on over 70 shows

1254
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,630
myself I've got for 20 years I've been

1255
00:50:11,850 --> 00:50:10,000
these people out in Hollywood is I like

1256
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:11,860
to refer to them and it's like when they

1257
00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:13,540
call me now and I say well you know I'm

1258
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,460
a professional I'm actually do feel

1259
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:17,920
producing and I work in the business I'm

1260
00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:20,620
a videographer and I do charge you

1261
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:22,780
charge for my services oh really

1262
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:24,910
well don't you want to be on TV and I

1263
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:26,710
was dumb I used up my 15 minutes of

1264
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:29,650
horror Holly and Fame 20 years ago I

1265
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:31,330
don't I don't need to be on TV

1266
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:35,200
you're asking me to help you that that's

1267
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:37,300
gonna cost you right so you know it's

1268
00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:40,090
they really have this this mentality

1269
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:42,580
that just because they're a TV

1270
00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:44,230
production company they can get anybody

1271
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:47,860
not pay them Frank can quote them take

1272
00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:50,830
their words and actually turn it into

1273
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:52,870
the exact opposite of what people say at

1274
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:54,850
times that's happened to me on a couple

1275
00:51:01,140 --> 00:50:57,630
of occasions and to me it's it's a

1276
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:01,150
really problematic to gain any sort of

1277
00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:03,880
forward traction in terms of these

1278
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:06,460
subjects being taken seriously by by

1279
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:08,350
science and by academia and it just

1280
00:51:14,310 --> 00:51:10,630
makes it all that much more difficult to

1281
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:14,320
really do quality work out there and you

1282
00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:16,810
get lumped in with all these amateurs in

1283
00:51:21,450 --> 00:51:19,240
it's it's just it's just not I don't

1284
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:21,460
think it's it's not productive we're

1285
00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:23,230
going to be more productive folks we

1286
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:25,840
have lloyd Auerbach joining us with Jean

1287
00:51:33,110 --> 00:51:28,660
and Chris it means you're in the para

1288
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,269
[Music]

1289
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1291
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1295
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1296
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1330
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1331
00:54:10,170 --> 00:54:07,190
now here's Jane Steinberg

1332
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:10,180
[Music]

1333
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:13,850
boid our back is myth-busting he's a

1334
00:54:19,150 --> 00:54:16,310
paranormal investigator and academic and

1335
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:19,160
we're looking over the problems with the

1336
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:22,250
media with reality shows and Chris of

1337
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:24,050
course was talking about his experiences

1338
00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:26,870
on TV where the things he says well they

1339
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,350
twisted around like he was talking about

1340
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:32,000
on one particular show something

1341
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:33,710
happening in the mysterious Valley and

1342
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:35,540
by the time he sees the show it's been

1343
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:38,210
moved to Sedona the entire event Lloyd

1344
00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:39,860
you had a response to that before our

1345
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:41,900
segment ended yeah you know people

1346
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:43,820
people on these shows are gonna do

1347
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:45,470
whatever they want the reality shows are

1348
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,270
which are very different than news shows

1349
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,280
they're supposedly going for

1350
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:51,920
entertainment but they pretend like

1351
00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:53,090
they're doing journalism I've actually

1352
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,220
had people because you were talking

1353
00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:57,680
about charging for time I mean when I've

1354
00:55:01,240 --> 00:54:58,910
got been presented with these more

1355
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:01,250
recent release forms that are kind of

1356
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,930
like I said insulting and restrictive

1357
00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:04,400
I've pretty much turned around said you

1358
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,800
know I'm happy to sign this as is

1359
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:08,240
provided you pay me a significant amount

1360
00:55:12,730 --> 00:55:09,890
of money I can be bought we can all be

1361
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:12,740
bought of course and you know I sight I

1362
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,810
usually charge citing a route writers

1363
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:15,680
the amount that I know they're never

1364
00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:17,930
going to go for but it really boils down

1365
00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:21,140
to them treating experts as if they are

1366
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:24,080
as crazy as some of the people that they

1367
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:25,970
interview because let's face it some of

1368
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:27,710
these shows find crazy people who have

1369
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:29,330
experience is not just average people

1370
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:31,970
who have experiences and these release

1371
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:34,870
forms were actually designed for people

1372
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:37,970
who have experiences who are the targets

1373
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:41,030
of the reality shows and people who have

1374
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:43,730
actually not followed the non-disclosure

1375
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:45,260
because they were so mad that their

1376
00:55:48,010 --> 00:55:46,730
story was changed just like your dog

1377
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,020
talking about Chris the location for

1378
00:55:52,090 --> 00:55:50,480
Chris's think piece changed when people

1379
00:55:54,490 --> 00:55:52,100
see their story changed I knew this

1380
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,500
woman up in in Oregon Southern Oregon

1381
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,480
who had a Friendly Ghost and then she

1382
00:55:59,530 --> 00:55:58,160
had something negative in her house like

1383
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,540
a negative energy and they had

1384
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:01,280
paranormal state come to her house and

1385
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:03,470
they changed the whole story so now the

1386
00:56:08,530 --> 00:56:05,930
the nice ghost that she's been talking

1387
00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:08,540
to consistently became the evil ghost

1388
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:11,120
and there was some demonic overview

1389
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:12,950
mentioned and they say there was some

1390
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:14,810
stuff physical evidence that seemed to

1391
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:16,460
be fake according to her she came out

1392
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:17,720
and started talking about it once the

1393
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,010
show aired and they started threatening

1394
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:20,240
her illegal action but it turned out

1395
00:56:22,450 --> 00:56:20,810
that they had

1396
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:22,460
not had her sign the appropriate release

1397
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:24,470
form so she was not as restricted as

1398
00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:27,170
they said she was oh that must have been

1399
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:29,750
just a wonderful thing to do though you

1400
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:33,680
know getting back at these sharks it's

1401
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:36,290
amazing you know they claim that they're

1402
00:56:39,220 --> 00:56:38,030
well-intentioned and perhaps some of the

1403
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:39,230
people who are on the shows are

1404
00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:42,260
well-intentioned but the shows they just

1405
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:43,580
are about to reducing the show I mean

1406
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:45,170
let's face it production people my

1407
00:56:48,610 --> 00:56:46,400
father is a television producer for NBC

1408
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,620
Sports my uncle was a director for for

1409
00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:51,200
CBS and ABC I've got a brother works at

1410
00:56:54,550 --> 00:56:52,790
today's show another brother who cuts

1411
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:54,560
movie trailers I mean I have an uncle

1412
00:56:58,450 --> 00:56:56,930
who's a former newscaster from Radio

1413
00:57:00,250 --> 00:56:58,460
newscaster in New York I've been around

1414
00:57:02,890 --> 00:57:00,260
this since I was just before I was born

1415
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:02,900
actually and I've talked to people of

1416
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:05,030
all levels and I understand that they

1417
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:06,410
they want to make a show that's

1418
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:11,300
entertaining but they're sacrificing the

1419
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:14,510
people who are providing them with the

1420
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:17,510
story they're making them look bad or

1421
00:57:20,590 --> 00:57:18,590
making the story

1422
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:20,600
look inaccurate or causing problems for

1423
00:57:26,290 --> 00:57:24,890
them you know for the benefit of their

1424
00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:26,300
production which frankly is not as

1425
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:27,790
entertaining as they think it is

1426
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:29,720
obviously there are people who do find

1427
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:31,010
it entertaining or at least they find it

1428
00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:32,510
real so they watch that show religiously

1429
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:35,060
the shows religiously but personally I

1430
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:36,110
don't find any of the paranormal TV

1431
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,930
shows entertaining I find some of them

1432
00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:40,480
interesting the ones where people

1433
00:57:44,350 --> 00:57:42,590
themselves tell their own ghost stories

1434
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:44,360
those are more interesting to me well I

1435
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:45,620
kind of think though a lot of people

1436
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,570
watch this just to have something on the

1437
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,760
tube and they don't care what that's

1438
00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:51,920
factual or not what worries me and we'll

1439
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:53,360
get onto other subjects there's a lot

1440
00:57:59,050 --> 00:57:55,370
more to cover what worries me about this

1441
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,060
is that this reality show mentality is

1442
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:02,480
infusing cable TV news which also

1443
00:58:06,850 --> 00:58:04,490
becomes a reality show so you want to

1444
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:06,860
learn about the events of the day but

1445
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:08,630
you're seeing it through the skewed eyes

1446
00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:11,510
of a marketing department that wants to

1447
00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:13,430
tailor the news to fit your political

1448
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:14,990
belief depending on what that political

1449
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:19,490
belief is to feed you raw meat as to

1450
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:20,630
what you think should be happening

1451
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:24,530
whether or not it's true you know it my

1452
00:58:27,790 --> 00:58:26,420
wife and I were just watching The Daily

1453
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:27,800
Show the other night we realized that

1454
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:29,600
it's really sad that we're getting a

1455
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,910
real news from a fake news show and the

1456
00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:33,359
fake news from the realness

1457
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,150
it's kind of ironic I think most of the

1458
00:58:41,569 --> 00:58:38,400
kids out there actually get their their

1459
00:58:43,489 --> 00:58:41,579
news from from a daily show I've heard

1460
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:43,499
this time and time again yeah you know

1461
00:58:49,009 --> 00:58:46,170
my satellite receiver out the door seven

1462
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:49,019
years ago I refuse to have broadcast

1463
00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:50,910
television in my house I just can't I

1464
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,859
can take you know local news can be

1465
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:54,480
really good or bad or bad depending on

1466
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:55,799
who the reporters are but the other

1467
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:56,940
thing about the Daily Show and shows

1468
00:59:00,979 --> 00:58:58,410
like that is that they make people

1469
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,989
question they're they're trying to get

1470
00:59:03,739 --> 00:59:02,220
people to actually question what they

1471
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:03,749
see which i think is the ultimate goal

1472
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:05,369
what should be the ultimate goal of any

1473
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:07,619
show like that with intelligent

1474
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:10,890
skepticism okay yeah let's go away from

1475
00:59:16,009 --> 00:59:13,559
the TV shows and the reality shows and

1476
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:16,019
let's look into one thing you mentioned

1477
00:59:18,999 --> 00:59:17,460
before that a lot of people are going

1478
00:59:21,769 --> 00:59:19,009
out there doing ghost hunting and

1479
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:21,779
haven't a clue of how to investigate

1480
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:23,369
anything maybe they learned their lesson

1481
00:59:27,769 --> 00:59:25,859
from watching the show so if someone

1482
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:27,779
wants to actually become a ghost hunter

1483
00:59:32,779 --> 00:59:30,599
there's some paranormal events of some

1484
00:59:34,759 --> 00:59:32,789
sort in their locality and they want to

1485
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,769
find out what's going on is there a

1486
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:36,599
place they can take the course is there

1487
00:59:42,849 --> 00:59:38,940
a place they can study what should they

1488
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:42,859
not do well I would stay away from any

1489
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:45,390
sources connected to any of the TV shows

1490
00:59:49,759 --> 00:59:47,579
number one and there are a lot of people

1491
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:49,769
who are writing books that have learned

1492
00:59:53,989 --> 00:59:51,390
their craft and that start with actually

1493
00:59:55,579 --> 00:59:53,999
and and you know I'll be self-serving

1494
00:59:56,839 --> 00:59:55,589
and say you can start with my books but

1495
00:59:58,729 --> 00:59:56,849
the fact is I have several colleagues

1496
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:58,739
who wrote some written some great books

1497
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:00,839
and articles as well so start with the

1498
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,390
people who are members of or connected

1499
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,339
to the parapsychological Association and

1500
01:00:08,749 --> 01:00:07,200
they can go to the website of the

1501
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:08,759
parapsychological Association which is

1502
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:11,220
parasite org or even go to my website

1503
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,930
mind-reader calm and link out to that

1504
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,640
look at who the members are and start

1505
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:16,559
looking at those names they do not all

1506
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:18,569
do investigation only some of them do

1507
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:21,089
but they are a lot of them have written

1508
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:23,630
on the subject and learning general

1509
01:00:28,579 --> 01:00:26,910
material about ESP about psychokinesis

1510
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:28,589
mind over matter about what we call

1511
01:00:32,839 --> 01:00:30,450
survival of bodily death which is where

1512
01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:32,849
ghosts fit in people have written stuff

1513
01:00:38,509 --> 01:00:34,700
about that and even get stuff for free

1514
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,519
through Google Books or archive.org by

1515
01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:40,799
searching the phrase psychical research

1516
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,980
and get the early books on the subject

1517
01:00:46,339 --> 01:00:45,119
there they can even search ghost hunting

1518
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:46,349
and look at some of the early ghost

1519
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:47,220
hunting books

1520
01:00:51,140 --> 01:00:49,140
using that term back from the late 19th

1521
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:51,150
century early 20th century before of

1522
01:00:56,780 --> 01:00:54,630
course TV infected that medium right

1523
01:00:59,060 --> 01:00:56,790
right and even before the technology

1524
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,070
became prevalent you know the handheld

1525
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:01,440
technology because that stuff became

1526
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:04,800
incredibly the purpose of it because I

1527
01:01:08,089 --> 01:01:06,780
I've been identified as one as the first

1528
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:08,099
person apparently used the Trifield

1529
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:11,490
meter on TV and using a Gauss meter

1530
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:13,290
using a magnetic field detector was not

1531
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:15,720
to detect those it's it's detect certain

1532
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:17,010
environmental changes all the

1533
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:18,390
equipment's to detect environmental

1534
01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:21,420
changes generally and you infer that

1535
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:23,220
something unusual is happening but you

1536
01:01:26,570 --> 01:01:24,540
have to connect that back to a human

1537
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:26,580
experience someone having an experience

1538
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:28,830
and that's the way you kind of work

1539
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:30,900
backwards to the tech but the early

1540
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:32,670
stuff they they used you know things

1541
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,250
like measuring tapes and cameras and

1542
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:37,200
they did use some stuff to at least

1543
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:39,480
document the environment but there are

1544
01:01:44,359 --> 01:01:42,690
many more research recent sources and my

1545
01:01:46,310 --> 01:01:44,369
website is a good place again to start

1546
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:46,320
to link out to all the organizations to

1547
01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:48,180
find people in the field who know what

1548
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:50,099
they're talking about and frankly all

1549
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:51,810
they have to do is send a note and email

1550
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,510
to me to most the people on the list the

1551
01:01:59,540 --> 01:01:55,920
parapsychological Association will

1552
01:02:01,400 --> 01:01:59,550
respond to them we're not about keeping

1553
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,410
the field insular one of the things that

1554
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,540
is kind of a directive and dry for a lot

1555
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,220
of us is bringing more people into the

1556
01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:06,960
field but they have to come into the

1557
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:09,830
field wanting to learn and wanting to

1558
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,540
understand and and not assuming that

1559
01:02:17,540 --> 01:02:14,880
what they've seen on TV is real because

1560
01:02:19,550 --> 01:02:17,550
most of it's not now we assume speaking

1561
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,560
of assumptions and will probably move

1562
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:21,180
this into our next segment we'll also

1563
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:24,210
ask listener questions and that is the

1564
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:26,310
basic assumption of ghosts for example

1565
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:30,720
this is something involving life after

1566
01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:33,180
death but isn't that a supposition -

1567
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:36,780
well of course it is it is a starting

1568
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:38,210
point and actually when we talk about

1569
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:40,830
haunted houses and apparitions and they

1570
01:02:44,810 --> 01:02:42,410
we actually have two models or two

1571
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:44,820
starting points one of them is that

1572
01:02:50,359 --> 01:02:47,910
apparitions our consciousness survived

1573
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:50,369
in the death of the body and that's the

1574
01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:52,890
position we go from but we don't find

1575
01:02:55,790 --> 01:02:54,300
that that's that turns out to be the

1576
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:55,800
case in many of the cases that we go out

1577
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:58,410
on we also have the idea of hauntings

1578
01:03:00,819 --> 01:02:59,520
which are often called residual

1579
01:03:02,739 --> 01:03:00,829
hauntings out there in

1580
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:02,749
community where it seems like the

1581
01:03:06,969 --> 01:03:04,670
environment has somehow recorded in an

1582
01:03:08,709 --> 01:03:06,979
event and people are sensitive enough to

1583
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,719
pick it up from time to time kind of

1584
01:03:13,779 --> 01:03:10,640
replayed in their heads like a video

1585
01:03:16,329 --> 01:03:13,789
playback or an audio playback of things

1586
01:03:19,299 --> 01:03:16,339
and these are models to start with

1587
01:03:22,059 --> 01:03:19,309
however every parapsychologist going

1588
01:03:23,979 --> 01:03:22,069
into an investigation even if we think

1589
01:03:25,329 --> 01:03:23,989
that it's an apparition or think that

1590
01:03:26,349 --> 01:03:25,339
it's a haunting or think that it's a

1591
01:03:29,769 --> 01:03:26,359
poltergeist which is a completely

1592
01:03:32,469 --> 01:03:29,779
different phenomena altogether we go

1593
01:03:33,999 --> 01:03:32,479
through every reported event everything

1594
01:03:36,339 --> 01:03:34,009
that people report to look for

1595
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:36,349
alternative explanations let's get into

1596
01:03:40,449 --> 01:03:38,450
more of this in our next segment avoid

1597
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:40,459
our back joining Jeanne and Chris you're

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01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:32,989
planning to conquer the earth

1618
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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

1621
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out more at rockets calm that's rockets

1622
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are Ock oids calm Adam Miller here with

1623
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Midas resources today April 21st 2014

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Gold opened at twelve ninety eight and

1625
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eighty cents a one ounce gold coin can

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be purchased for 1346 six seventy three

1627
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four half ounce or three thirty six and

1628
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fifty cents for quarter ounce that's

1629
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thirteen forty six six seventy three and

1630
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three thirty six fifty

1631
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hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

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wondered why banks stockbrokers

1633
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investment advisors won't talk about

1634
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gold IRAs wait a sec gold and silver is

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going up while Congress is trying to

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settle on the next debt increase and

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there's no end of this madness that old

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401 K and IRA can be converted into

1639
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physical gold without tax consequences I

1640
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explained this in my book ten reasons to

1641
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buy gold

1642
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dov'è x flippa way call for your free

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copy today 800 six eight six twenty to

1644
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thirty seven get away from that

1645
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Washington spin and get honest answers

1646
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about gold eight hundred six eight six

1647
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twenty to thirty seven the book is free

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eight hundred six eight six twenty to

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longer with rock-bottom prices that

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could save you thousands that's right

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again don't miss these prices of 50 by

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1662
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you heard right that's five thousand

1663
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square feet for thirty five thousand

1664
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dollars manufacturers if you need a

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larger building try a 100 by 100

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twenty nine thousand you can't afford to

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rent with these prices imagine a 70 by

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100 foot church building for under sixty

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health and you're tired of the nasty

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supernatural silver is also extremely

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effective when taken orally and can help

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1705
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1707
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1709
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para cast comm we're focusing heavily on

1710
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,199
myth-busting and the nuts and bolts of

1711
01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:18,420
paranormal investigation as opposed to

1712
01:08:21,170 --> 01:08:20,219
just case histories and we'll have some

1713
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:21,180
of those we'll have some of your

1714
01:08:26,140 --> 01:08:23,250
questions but let's just move on a

1715
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:26,150
little bit here because you brought up

1716
01:08:30,499 --> 01:08:28,290
poltergeists and we have these things

1717
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:30,509
that seem to move around of their own

1718
01:08:38,209 --> 01:08:33,900
will but one common theory is that's

1719
01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:38,219
excess energy from young people at the

1720
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:40,920
puberty stage is that true well that's

1721
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:43,170
the stereotype of that and actually I

1722
01:08:46,220 --> 01:08:44,850
think Stephen King's book carrot book

1723
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,230
and movie Carrie were probably more

1724
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:48,480
responsible for that stereotype taking

1725
01:08:51,410 --> 01:08:49,500
hold than anything else

1726
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:51,420
poltergeist cases are do surround a

1727
01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:54,540
living agent this model of poltergeists

1728
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,430
goes back to an end or Foe door in the

1729
01:09:00,019 --> 01:08:58,080
early 20th century who's a

1730
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:00,029
psychotherapist psyche a psychiatrist

1731
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:03,000
actually and a parapsychologist and Bill

1732
01:09:06,170 --> 01:09:04,259
role William G role actually

1733
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:06,180
crystallized that and came up with the

1734
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:08,430
term recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis

1735
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:10,410
or RS PK it's not necessarily excess

1736
01:09:13,939 --> 01:09:11,819
energy we don't know that it's actually

1737
01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:13,949
energy in the way we think of energy but

1738
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:15,929
it seems that there's a living agent or

1739
01:09:20,710 --> 01:09:17,790
a living person at the center of the

1740
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:20,720
poltergeist cases who's unconscious is

1741
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:23,400
tossing things around using an ability

1742
01:09:27,849 --> 01:09:25,049
we have called psychokinesis

1743
01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:27,859
it is in a large percentage of the cases

1744
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:30,870
connected to stress emotional or

1745
01:09:36,559 --> 01:09:34,380
otherwise and that points to puberty and

1746
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:36,569
adolescence so about 60% of the cases or

1747
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:39,540
people between the ages of 12 and 24 25

1748
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:41,940
not just teenagers not just puberty and

1749
01:09:46,220 --> 01:09:44,310
then we also have about a third of the

1750
01:09:48,970 --> 01:09:46,230
cases that seem to be connected more to

1751
01:09:52,099 --> 01:09:48,980
neurological activity especially

1752
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:52,109
epileptic type or epilepsy in the brain

1753
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:54,510
the epileptic activity kind of like

1754
01:09:59,060 --> 01:09:56,310
think of the poltergeist outbreak as a

1755
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,070
seizure being directed outward instead

1756
01:10:03,710 --> 01:10:01,920
of inward in some respects we also have

1757
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,720
an alternative from some of my

1758
01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:05,580
colleagues who do not accept that living

1759
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:07,320
people are doing it even within the

1760
01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:08,370
field there are people who think that

1761
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:09,660
it's actually ghosts that are doing it

1762
01:10:14,570 --> 01:10:11,850
in poltergeist cases so we have

1763
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:14,580
differences of opinion but the model of

1764
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:17,970
the living agent piece holds up for a

1765
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:21,000
number of reasons one of which is we can

1766
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:22,470
get it to stop pretty easily by working

1767
01:10:25,940 --> 01:10:23,880
with a live identifying a little bit

1768
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:25,950
working with a living agent conversely

1769
01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:29,850
is it possible then to trigger that

1770
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:33,390
effect and control it so we have some

1771
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:35,970
sort of telekinetic ability that we can

1772
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:38,040
harness when we want to doesn't that

1773
01:10:42,860 --> 01:10:41,070
sort of follow it sort of follows and

1774
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:42,870
we've had cases in the past where people

1775
01:10:48,740 --> 01:10:45,150
were able to control their abilities the

1776
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:48,750
agents for a time after the

1777
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:51,330
investigation we had one one at JFK in

1778
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:53,010
fact a woman who's a bartender for whom

1779
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:54,900
it kind of burned itself out because it

1780
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:56,730
does tend to burn itself out after a

1781
01:11:01,610 --> 01:10:59,370
while but we have had people control the

1782
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:01,620
problem of triggering it if it's stress

1783
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:05,850
or epileptic activity frankly is a I

1784
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:07,890
mean we're tingling with human subjects

1785
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:10,410
here and ethically that would be bad

1786
01:11:16,220 --> 01:11:13,620
what's doesn't sounds healthy it's

1787
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:16,230
probably not you know the poltergeist

1788
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:18,090
outbreak for interestingly enough for

1789
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:19,590
epileptics one of the things been

1790
01:11:24,380 --> 01:11:22,200
reported is that during the time that

1791
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,390
the poltergeist activity or the PK

1792
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:26,340
activity is happening the people don't

1793
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:27,900
have seizures even if they're off their

1794
01:11:31,460 --> 01:11:29,880
meds so actually it may be healthier

1795
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:31,470
personally for those people

1796
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:32,910
then otherwise we don't know what the

1797
01:11:35,690 --> 01:11:34,680
actual trigger and the brain is for that

1798
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:35,700
because it doesn't happen to all

1799
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,770
epileptic certainly and for stress

1800
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,080
people are stressed some people seem to

1801
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:42,480
have that ability and well one of the

1802
01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:44,370
things I teach in my classes I have a

1803
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:46,740
whole class on psychokinesis and I do

1804
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:49,350
teach a method of learning to do some PK

1805
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:51,330
although it's nothing big but it's kind

1806
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:52,860
of a starting point for people to kind

1807
01:11:57,020 --> 01:11:55,170
of get the idea in the courses that I

1808
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:57,030
teach kind of do include not just

1809
01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:58,290
research but also a little bit of

1810
01:12:02,420 --> 01:12:00,900
practice for people to try things and I

1811
01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:02,430
teach them both locally and distance

1812
01:12:08,150 --> 01:12:04,950
wise otherwise - but isn't there the

1813
01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:08,160
danger there of having it go too far you

1814
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:10,920
know if we had poltergeist cases where

1815
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:13,320
it had ever gone too far I'd say that

1816
01:12:17,660 --> 01:12:15,900
that danger is there but the very rules

1817
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,670
of psychokinesis it seems the

1818
01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:19,860
psychological bindings of psychokinesis

1819
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:23,700
have to do with the fact that human

1820
01:12:27,980 --> 01:12:26,580
beings in most cultures do not believe

1821
01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:27,990
this is even possible that's the biggest

1822
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:30,270
problem and biggest stumbling block for

1823
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:33,030
getting people past anything to do this

1824
01:12:36,230 --> 01:12:34,440
sort of thing is they have to see it

1825
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:36,240
happen believe that it actually happens

1826
01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:37,470
then even believe that they can do it

1827
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:39,540
themselves it's kind of like athletic

1828
01:12:42,430 --> 01:12:40,950
performance you have to believe in

1829
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:42,440
yourself to some extent or at least

1830
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:45,030
sidestep the belief completely and and

1831
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:46,860
not even think about it which is why the

1832
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:48,330
unconscious seems to be able to do it a

1833
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:51,210
lot better yeah that's a good point now

1834
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:53,790
we have a bunch of listener questions so

1835
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:56,160
Lloyd and I really would like to start

1836
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:57,930
with this one because I think we're

1837
01:13:02,150 --> 01:12:59,190
we're kind of heading in this direction

1838
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:02,160
and and it's a question from SRL who's

1839
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,380
been a longtime poster at forum dr.

1840
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:06,480
Perik asked calm and his first question

1841
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,060
would be my question - is in over

1842
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,320
viewing the totality of your

1843
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:12,480
investigation research what is the

1844
01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:14,010
single most compelling case that you

1845
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:16,470
could offer to peer-reviewed science

1846
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:19,170
that would you know show them the

1847
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:21,150
existence of these types of paranormal

1848
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:23,340
phenomena well I've had a number of

1849
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:26,100
cases that we've had experience all and

1850
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:27,480
other evidence and I'll tell you one a

1851
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:29,880
couple of cases in a moment here Farr

1852
01:13:33,380 --> 01:13:31,800
and peer review within my own field

1853
01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:33,390
would be one thing but we have like I

1854
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:34,830
said we have people in my field who have

1855
01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:36,090
difference of opinion we've got a group

1856
01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:37,830
of folks in my field who did not believe

1857
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:39,390
in life after death so I don't know that

1858
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:40,920
we convince them no matter what but I

1859
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:43,290
will say that the case I'm about to talk

1860
01:13:47,569 --> 01:13:45,300
about has made some of those people

1861
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:47,579
even wonder what the hell's going on

1862
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:48,840
that there may be something more going

1863
01:13:53,689 --> 01:13:51,239
on here so one of the cases that was

1864
01:13:56,569 --> 01:13:53,699
probably the most convincing for me

1865
01:13:58,879 --> 01:13:56,579
personally that ghosts existed happened

1866
01:14:01,220 --> 01:13:58,889
in 1985 although the case had been going

1867
01:14:02,899 --> 01:14:01,230
on for a year and a half and the woman

1868
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:02,909
who was the ghost had died a year and

1869
01:14:06,589 --> 01:14:04,500
half before that so three years before I

1870
01:14:08,089 --> 01:14:06,599
was even involved it was a family that

1871
01:14:11,689 --> 01:14:08,099
was not afraid of the ghosts that they

1872
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:11,699
were all seeing it turned out that the

1873
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:14,280
mother father and son and even the boy's

1874
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,630
grandmother were seeing the ghost

1875
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:18,000
separately and not talking about that

1876
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:19,800
with each other for the year and a half

1877
01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:21,329
that they'd been living there until the

1878
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:23,190
boy actually mentioned that he was not

1879
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:24,690
only seeing her he was communicating

1880
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:26,040
whether he was talking to her on a daily

1881
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basis then the mother got a little

1882
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concerned well he's 12 is he going to be

1883
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okay growing up talking about ghosts

1884
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even though we know what the ghost

1885
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exists so there was a little concerned

1886
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about that that was not really a concern

1887
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as it turned out and when I was I

1888
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brought the two people with me to

1889
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investigate we were told by the boy who

1890
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had the ghost with him I was kind of

1891
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like a sitcom we're walking around we

1892
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don't see somebody he's talking to

1893
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somebody who's not there he's listening

1894
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he's telling us family stories about

1895
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this woman's life he's telling stories

1896
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about the town which we dismissed

1897
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because he could have read those and

1898
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learned those we ended up sitting down

1899
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in a semi-circle with the mother her

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mother and the boy the father was out of

1901
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town at the time were able to actually

1902
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direct questions at the ghost and have

1903
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the boy who was not a psychic or medium

1904
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all they were sort of acting as a medium

1905
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actually respond or at least listen and

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respond and it included questions about

1907
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what she was and what happened when she

1908
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died and why was she still there and all

1909
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of the answers we're kind of shocking

1910
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coming out of a twelve-year-old because

1911
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they were incredibly adult number one

1912
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very insightful fit models in

1913
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parapsychology actually going back quite

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a ways that would been hard at that time

1915
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to dig out unless you did a lot of

1916
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reading and research which he clearly

1917
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had not done and then I also got from

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him the woman's only living relative who

1919
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his mother had been trying to contact

1920
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since the house was bought in an estate

1921
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sale but the attorney for this guy

1922
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because the guy was in an assisted

1923
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living facility blocked her at every

1924
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turn now we have his contact information

1925
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I actually talked to him went to visit

1926
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him

1927
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and all the family stories that we were

1928
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told I could start one and he would

1929
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finish it because they were all stories

1930
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that the guy knew about or was involved

1931
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in himself so it was it was kind of that

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was really important and then on top of

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it kind of the capper was each of us the

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three investigators myself and the other

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two were asked a question specific to

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our hour drive from JFK University down

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deliver more so as about 45 minute drive

1938
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:23,670
and we're going to have the answer in

1939
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our next segment that's the cliffhanger

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folks that's the entertainment factor

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Lloyd our back joining Jean and Chris

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you're in the para cast leading the way

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[Music]

2048
01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:58,410
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

2049
01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:00,120
listening to the para cast

2050
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:09,669
I'd like to do those cliffhangers

2051
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:11,510
because it makes our listeners I hope

2052
01:21:16,030 --> 01:21:14,330
want to listen past the ads and learn

2053
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,040
more about what our guest is saying

2054
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:18,560
Lloyd give us the rest of the story

2055
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:22,400
sure so Chris I basically asked the

2056
01:21:26,260 --> 01:21:24,290
ghost Louis do you have any questions

2057
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:26,270
for us and by the way the first question

2058
01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:27,770
was kind of an interesting funny goofy

2059
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:30,260
thing because apparently the ghost had

2060
01:21:35,530 --> 01:21:31,610
seen two commercials for Ghostbusters

2061
01:21:37,450 --> 01:21:35,540
watching TV with Chris a year before all

2062
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:37,460
right we had a promise actually not to

2063
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bring our portable particle accelerators

2064
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and go straps so the first question was

2065
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Chris kind of laughing he said she wants

2066
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to know if you actually used those

2067
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things and Ghostbusters and I after I

2068
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turned it back into a kiddin thing and I

2069
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said hell you know of course the the

2070
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backpacks leak nuclear radiation so

2071
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they're kind of dangerous we can't get

2072
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insurance for them he he said okay so

2073
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Lloyd what kind of new car do you want

2074
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,630
to buy Joanna do you really want to quit

2075
01:22:02,590 --> 01:22:01,040
your job at the law firm in San

2076
01:22:04,510 --> 01:22:02,600
Francisco and Kipp how long were your

2077
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:04,520
professional dancer in LA before you

2078
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came back to school whoa and those were

2079
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questions that were specific to our

2080
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:11,449
drive the 45-minute Drive to Livermore

2081
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:13,489
we did not mention those I had a tape

2082
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:15,050
recorder running we did not mention any

2083
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:16,250
of that stuff it was not even an

2084
01:22:19,149 --> 01:22:17,449
opportunity to mention any of that stuff

2085
01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:19,159
when we walked in so the alternative

2086
01:22:22,060 --> 01:22:20,360
there are two other alternatives here

2087
01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:22,070
one they bugged my car for some reason

2088
01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:23,900
and this is not a family that sought any

2089
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:25,670
publicity whatsoever they have no

2090
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:27,170
haven't had no motivation for that

2091
01:22:31,060 --> 01:22:29,570
whatsoever so I kind of ruled that out

2092
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:31,070
the other was that Chris somehow was

2093
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:33,530
really really psychic and I said well

2094
01:22:36,879 --> 01:22:35,090
you know how does Louis know to ask us

2095
01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:36,889
these questions you know how do you know

2096
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:38,030
what ask us these questions and he

2097
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looked over at Louis and turned back

2098
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says you may not like this but she

2099
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didn't trust you guys about the

2100
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Ghostbusters thing so she went to the

2101
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University and rode in the back of your

2102
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car and listen to your conversation on

2103
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the rive down here and of course my

2104
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student Kip would have been in the

2105
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backseat turned a little green at that

2106
01:22:59,890 --> 01:22:57,350
point and we all laughed about it was

2107
01:23:01,720 --> 01:22:59,900
very very funny but that was a case that

2108
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you know the only alternative would have

2109
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been somehow that this kid had made it

2110
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all up that he had found Diaries that

2111
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Louis had left behind which Pat his

2112
01:23:13,209 --> 01:23:11,989
mother had clearly been looking for she

2113
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was an attorney herself and she'd been

2114
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trying at all to find out anything about

2115
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the woman who used to own the house

2116
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because was a beautiful old house and

2117
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they bought a lot of her furniture too

2118
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:20,030
and

2119
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:21,410
there was there were so many things that

2120
01:23:25,870 --> 01:23:23,810
were against that concept that it could

2121
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:25,880
not have been that not to mention the

2122
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:27,110
fact that the other three family members

2123
01:23:32,380 --> 01:23:29,840
saw the ghost also Wow that that's

2124
01:23:34,540 --> 01:23:32,390
really that's quite impressive I I've

2125
01:23:37,570 --> 01:23:34,550
never heard of a case that the the the

2126
01:23:39,670 --> 01:23:37,580
featured that kind of compelling smoking

2127
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:39,680
gun evidence that would you know

2128
01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:42,170
legitimize the case like that that

2129
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:43,580
that's amazing

2130
01:23:46,420 --> 01:23:45,110
there there have been many cases

2131
01:23:50,650 --> 01:23:46,430
throughout the history of our field

2132
01:23:52,780 --> 01:23:50,660
where the ghost has given information

2133
01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:52,790
about themselves about their lives that

2134
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:54,950
has been verified that the people could

2135
01:23:58,960 --> 01:23:57,410
not have known we have that with

2136
01:24:00,490 --> 01:23:58,970
haunting cases to people move into a

2137
01:24:01,780 --> 01:24:00,500
home something something starts

2138
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,790
happening they experience something they

2139
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:02,960
can't they check the history of the

2140
01:24:06,910 --> 01:24:05,210
house and lo and behold what they're

2141
01:24:08,770 --> 01:24:06,920
experiencing actually physically did

2142
01:24:11,140 --> 01:24:08,780
happen in the house a year before five

2143
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:11,150
years before ten years before so we have

2144
01:24:16,180 --> 01:24:14,090
those kind of veridical situations and

2145
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:16,190
experiences we have them all the time

2146
01:24:20,830 --> 01:24:19,070
and you know I can tell you that the

2147
01:24:22,060 --> 01:24:20,840
folks on TV and the ghost hunter

2148
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:22,070
community doesn't happen that much

2149
01:24:24,460 --> 01:24:23,510
because they're they're constantly

2150
01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:24,470
trying to look for something negative

2151
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:27,230
and they missed the point of the whole

2152
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,210
investigation by not dealing with the

2153
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:31,280
witnesses so much and the experiences

2154
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:32,930
they want to get EVPs and they want to

2155
01:24:38,050 --> 01:24:34,850
get their technology evidence but that's

2156
01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:38,060
not the case the case is the people well

2157
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:39,830
you're dead this is a very stupid

2158
01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:41,600
question but I think listeners who

2159
01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:42,830
haven't followed this are going to ask

2160
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:46,160
it and that is when someone dies are

2161
01:24:51,550 --> 01:24:48,800
they guaranteed to become a ghost next

2162
01:24:54,580 --> 01:24:51,560
or some condition has to exist maybe

2163
01:24:58,060 --> 01:24:54,590
unfinished work whatever that keeps them

2164
01:25:00,520 --> 01:24:58,070
in touch in some way with our existence

2165
01:25:02,260 --> 01:25:00,530
or reality I think actually that's one

2166
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:02,270
of the smartest questions that anybody

2167
01:25:07,390 --> 01:25:04,130
can actually ask when it comes right

2168
01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:07,400
down to it it seems first of all 99% of

2169
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:09,670
all apparition or ghosts experiences

2170
01:25:14,590 --> 01:25:13,010
happen where a family member a loved one

2171
01:25:17,290 --> 01:25:14,600
somebody in relationship with a person

2172
01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:17,300
who has just died sees or experiences

2173
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:19,490
that person at the moment of death or

2174
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:21,850
within usually two to three days and

2175
01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:24,260
never again that's it they're gone

2176
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:26,120
they're there wherever they go you might

2177
01:25:29,230 --> 01:25:27,470
need a medium to call them back from the

2178
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:29,240
other side but that's it

2179
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:31,730
the ones who stick around the reasons

2180
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:34,070
why they're here when people interview

2181
01:25:37,180 --> 01:25:35,360
were asked than those questions where

2182
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:37,190
they hear from the ghost run the range

2183
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:40,880
from in unfinished business to denying

2184
01:25:44,879 --> 01:25:42,170
that they're dead you know the human

2185
01:25:47,169 --> 01:25:44,889
denial of some condition change to

2186
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:47,179
actually being afraid of what's next

2187
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:49,010
that happens we hear that a lot that

2188
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:51,110
people are afraid of what's next so you

2189
01:25:55,089 --> 01:25:53,210
have that but we do think that there

2190
01:25:57,490 --> 01:25:55,099
probably are environmental conditions

2191
01:25:58,750 --> 01:25:57,500
it's something more than just people

2192
01:26:00,280 --> 01:25:58,760
wanting to stick around otherwise we'd

2193
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:00,290
have a lot more ghosts that's pretty

2194
01:26:03,939 --> 01:26:02,210
clear so there's something else and it's

2195
01:26:05,950 --> 01:26:03,949
probably environmental conditions that

2196
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:05,960
the greatest connection we've got here

2197
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:09,679
is with geomagnetic fields and similar

2198
01:26:13,149 --> 01:26:11,690
fields in the environment and so it may

2199
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:13,159
be that the conditions need to be right

2200
01:26:16,660 --> 01:26:15,199
for somebody to stick around and frankly

2201
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:16,670
you know even though I don't necessarily

2202
01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:19,310
think in this direction we cannot rule

2203
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:22,670
out that some higher power has a plan

2204
01:26:26,020 --> 01:26:24,650
for those people or that they you know

2205
01:26:28,750 --> 01:26:26,030
they're they have to learn something I

2206
01:26:31,540 --> 01:26:28,760
can't say that that god or gods or or

2207
01:26:34,089 --> 01:26:31,550
the force or entities something else has

2208
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:34,099
some plan for them or karma because

2209
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,409
there's no way to detect that or to get

2210
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:38,480
to that point let me ask you them

2211
01:26:43,899 --> 01:26:41,210
because you kind of imply it here are

2212
01:26:47,589 --> 01:26:43,909
there any differences among people who

2213
01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:47,599
experience ghosts events among racial

2214
01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:50,540
ethnic groups or religious groups there

2215
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,460
doesn't seem to be any sort of

2216
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:54,800
difference except when you overlay a

2217
01:26:59,979 --> 01:26:57,290
cultural or religious belief system and

2218
01:27:02,680 --> 01:26:59,989
then it's the interpretation so ghosts

2219
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:02,690
look like human beings but how people

2220
01:27:07,149 --> 01:27:05,570
react to them and what they say about

2221
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:07,159
what the intention is that they give

2222
01:27:12,580 --> 01:27:09,710
them will depend on the cultural or

2223
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:12,590
religious belief of those folks I I've

2224
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,280
actually been out on a number of of

2225
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:17,360
documentary projects as me as a

2226
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:20,480
technician at some haunted sites and I

2227
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:23,840
remember asking getting asked a question

2228
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:26,150
once by someone at one of these sites

2229
01:27:31,149 --> 01:27:27,770
and they said they want to know why why

2230
01:27:33,370 --> 01:27:31,159
do ghosts wear clothing again you know

2231
01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:33,380
that's one of the questions I asked that

2232
01:27:37,050 --> 01:27:34,760
question probably when is five years old

2233
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:37,060
where do they get their clothes from and

2234
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:39,710
it that fits are modeled actually of

2235
01:27:42,549 --> 01:27:41,090
apparitions you know people talk about

2236
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:42,559
seeing apparitions but you're not really

2237
01:27:46,180 --> 01:27:45,050
seeing the go through your eyes because

2238
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:46,190
if you could see the ghost with your

2239
01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:47,950
eyes with your optics the

2240
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:49,750
everyone could see the ghost with your

2241
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,890
eyes that would mean that the ghost is

2242
01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:52,960
reflecting light and you could

2243
01:27:56,130 --> 01:27:54,910
photograph the ghost all right so that

2244
01:27:57,810 --> 01:27:56,140
that doesn't answer the question where

2245
01:27:59,640 --> 01:27:57,820
they get their clothes from but what

2246
01:28:01,140 --> 01:27:59,650
that says is the logic of that

2247
01:28:03,180 --> 01:28:01,150
understanding that and working through

2248
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:03,190
that we know that ghosts are not visible

2249
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:05,650
in they're not visible to the eye this

2250
01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:07,810
is a psychic phenomena we are connecting

2251
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:10,150
with them we're adding the image to our

2252
01:28:13,410 --> 01:28:11,770
own brain so you might say that it's a

2253
01:28:15,630 --> 01:28:13,420
superimposed image kind of like a green

2254
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:15,640
screaming image that's happening and the

2255
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:16,930
signal comes from the ghost

2256
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:20,050
well ghosts like if they're people there

2257
01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:21,040
really are people they think of

2258
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:22,720
themselves with clothing on they also

2259
01:28:25,260 --> 01:28:23,770
think of themselves looking a little

2260
01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:25,270
younger than they were often when they

2261
01:28:29,310 --> 01:28:26,680
died or certainly looking healthier than

2262
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:29,320
they were when they died and that's the

2263
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:31,090
way ghosts are seen people are seeing

2264
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:32,860
ghosts with whatever the ghost that

2265
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,780
person's self image happens to be and

2266
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:35,920
since we all think of ourselves with

2267
01:28:40,650 --> 01:28:38,560
clothes on usually that's why ghosts are

2268
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:40,660
seen with clothes and changing clothes

2269
01:28:45,870 --> 01:28:43,170
by the way and sometimes changing ages

2270
01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:45,880
well interesting so what I'm what I'm

2271
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:47,470
hearing here is that it's almost

2272
01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:49,570
virtually impossible to photograph a

2273
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,990
ghost then right that's right do we have

2274
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,360
any any genuine photographs or video

2275
01:28:59,130 --> 01:28:57,760
footage or film footage not really I

2276
01:29:00,690 --> 01:28:59,140
mean they're they're a couple famous

2277
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:00,700
photographs the the Brown Lady of

2278
01:29:07,170 --> 01:29:03,250
Raynham Hall well there's a few that

2279
01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:07,180
that look good the reality is that a

2280
01:29:10,230 --> 01:29:09,160
ghost would be would not actually be

2281
01:29:12,990 --> 01:29:10,240
photographed but the ghost could

2282
01:29:16,130 --> 01:29:13,000
theoretically affect the camera or the

2283
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:16,140
film or both with psychokinesis

2284
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:19,360
so think of it as the ghost because some

2285
01:29:24,690 --> 01:29:21,910
ghosts can't affect can seemingly move

2286
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:24,700
objects and at least some of the cases

2287
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:27,010
we have like that and it seems that if

2288
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:28,960
there's an intent on the part of that

2289
01:29:34,260 --> 01:29:31,510
deceased entity that they can affect the

2290
01:29:36,630 --> 01:29:34,270
camera and cause something to appear and

2291
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:36,640
it you know the all these order pictures

2292
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:38,530
that are on on the internet they're not

2293
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:40,510
ghosts unless the ghost actually made

2294
01:29:43,950 --> 01:29:42,250
the orbs happen but they're certainly

2295
01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:43,960
not ghosts and there's no logic behind

2296
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:46,750
any of that at all it's it's really

2297
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:51,010
difficult you know video cameras regular

2298
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:52,480
cameras it's not much different than the

2299
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:55,090
magnetic field detectors in that we

2300
01:29:59,250 --> 01:29:57,010
might be able to get an effect on the

2301
01:30:00,630 --> 01:29:59,260
camera but that doesn't mean we are

2302
01:30:01,770 --> 01:30:00,640
photographing the ghosts just like we

2303
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:01,780
might get a change

2304
01:30:04,710 --> 01:30:03,040
magnetic field that doesn't mean the

2305
01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:04,720
ghost is giving off a magnetic field but

2306
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:05,980
may be affecting the magnetic

2307
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:08,170
environment interesting because that's

2308
01:30:12,300 --> 01:30:10,510
that's not what you would would learn if

2309
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:12,310
you were watching the many of these

2310
01:30:17,340 --> 01:30:15,130
gossamer shows correct that's the exact

2311
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:17,350
opposite of what what they claim that's

2312
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:19,840
of course opposite logic that we find so

2313
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:22,810
much infecting the media these days we

2314
01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:24,820
have lloyd our back with more to come

2315
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:28,420
with Gene and Kris you're in opera cast

2316
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great minds think alike the network for

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the independent-minded the genesis

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communications network gene see first

2319
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game attack of the rock codes and it was

2320
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a critically acclaimed success and now

2321
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there's the coming of the protectors a

2322
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former military intelligence man is

2323
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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2324
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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2325
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because evil forces on our distant

2326
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

2327
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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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Tom hi this is nuclear physicist

2414
01:35:00,649 --> 01:34:57,179
lecturer Stanton Friedman you are

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01:35:09,349 --> 01:35:00,659
listening to the barricade the gold

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01:35:11,569 --> 01:35:09,359
standard paranormal radio our guest this

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01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:11,579
week is Lloyd Auerbach and you see this

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01:35:17,869 --> 01:35:15,119
guy is realistic he's got his feet

2419
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:17,879
firmly planted on the ground his head is

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01:35:22,309 --> 01:35:20,249
not in the skies but he's exploring the

2421
01:35:23,929 --> 01:35:22,319
things the unknown things around us

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01:35:25,849 --> 01:35:23,939
trying to get some reality around them

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01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:25,859
Chris we're questions from our listeners

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01:35:32,599 --> 01:35:30,239
yeah this goes into kind of what I was

2425
01:35:34,369 --> 01:35:32,609
going to mention about a an experience I

2426
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:34,379
had up at the conner hotel in Jerome

2427
01:35:41,719 --> 01:35:39,119
Arizona and we had a 22 thousand dollar

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01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:41,729
brand new 3d Panasonic camera at the end

2429
01:35:45,469 --> 01:35:44,129
of a hallway in this hotel I had just

2430
01:35:47,509 --> 01:35:45,479
gone down with some lights I was

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01:35:50,269 --> 01:35:47,519
starting to to break break equipment

2432
01:35:51,919 --> 01:35:50,279
down and we had a psychic in the in the

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01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:51,929
hotel we had just been interviewing her

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01:35:56,750 --> 01:35:54,449
as I was going downstairs with the gear

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01:35:58,579 --> 01:35:56,760
the director put the camera didn't turn

2436
01:36:00,409 --> 01:35:58,589
it off but put it still in record mode

2437
01:36:02,899 --> 01:36:00,419
at the end of the hallway in front of a

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01:36:06,259 --> 01:36:02,909
big mirror and as I was walking up the

2439
01:36:07,759 --> 01:36:06,269
hallway I had something leaned out at

2440
01:36:09,049 --> 01:36:07,769
first I thought it was somebody just you

2441
01:36:10,459 --> 01:36:09,059
know heard something heard me walking

2442
01:36:11,179 --> 01:36:10,469
down the hallway and looked out the door

2443
01:36:14,389 --> 01:36:11,189
to see who it was

2444
01:36:17,179 --> 01:36:14,399
and I could see the figure in the mirror

2445
01:36:18,739 --> 01:36:17,189
and I was all of a sudden I realized

2446
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:18,749
well wait am I didn't see any features

2447
01:36:22,699 --> 01:36:20,729
on this it was like a silhouette of

2448
01:36:24,619 --> 01:36:22,709
somebody and there was enough light to

2449
01:36:25,939 --> 01:36:24,629
actually I should have been able to see

2450
01:36:27,859 --> 01:36:25,949
details so I immediately turned around

2451
01:36:29,689 --> 01:36:27,869
and went back and there was no door

2452
01:36:30,139 --> 01:36:29,699
there at that particular spot in the

2453
01:36:32,490 --> 01:36:30,149
hallway

2454
01:36:36,330 --> 01:36:32,500
I was absolutely

2455
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:36,340
out of my mind with just it just I was

2456
01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:38,770
so excited because we had a 3d camera

2457
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:41,200
going and it should have you know

2458
01:36:45,210 --> 01:36:43,540
obviously in record mode it should have

2459
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:45,220
picked this picture up we could not

2460
01:36:50,700 --> 01:36:47,470
initialize the footage the camera would

2461
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:50,710
not initialize that particular clip that

2462
01:36:55,740 --> 01:36:53,110
was about seven minutes long and he

2463
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:55,750
tried every which way but loose to get

2464
01:36:59,190 --> 01:36:56,920
that footage out of that camera

2465
01:37:00,690 --> 01:36:59,200
brand-new camera now so first time we'd

2466
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:00,700
used it and he's been using it ever

2467
01:37:07,110 --> 01:37:03,730
since with no problems this leads me to

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01:37:10,230 --> 01:37:07,120
a question this one comes from Poulter

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01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:10,240
worst and I think it ties in with what I

2470
01:37:14,010 --> 01:37:12,310
just mentioned to you I was that was the

2471
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:14,020
first time I've ever seen anything you

2472
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:15,760
know it was a mirror image but he's

2473
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:19,330
wondering do they actually drain

2474
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,090
batteries do they avoid trying to be

2475
01:37:26,690 --> 01:37:24,400
seen do they do things like mess with

2476
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:26,700
electronic equipment as I've described

2477
01:37:33,210 --> 01:37:30,670
in an effort not to be documented well

2478
01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:33,220
you know first the battery drain thing

2479
01:37:36,630 --> 01:37:35,260
I've been on so many different TV shoots

2480
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:36,640
and we've had all sorts of bizarre

2481
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,410
things happening with the TV cameras and

2482
01:37:44,220 --> 01:37:42,400
interestingly enough not more than my

2483
01:37:46,020 --> 01:37:44,230
own recourse but usually with the the

2484
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:46,030
crew stuff whether it's the camera the

2485
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:48,730
microphones the sound system the BTR any

2486
01:37:52,830 --> 01:37:50,890
number of things we've I've had some

2487
01:37:54,630 --> 01:37:52,840
very very bizarre tape switches in

2488
01:37:59,220 --> 01:37:54,640
segments which is in the cameras and

2489
01:38:01,320 --> 01:37:59,230
tapes that seem to be intentional so you

2490
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:01,330
know not every ghost does that not every

2491
01:38:05,130 --> 01:38:03,250
case does that you know people there

2492
01:38:07,110 --> 01:38:05,140
seem to be under this impression that

2493
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:07,120
ghosts in order to manifest need to

2494
01:38:10,410 --> 01:38:08,770
drain batteries or change the

2495
01:38:13,170 --> 01:38:10,420
temperature drain energy from the system

2496
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:13,180
the cold spot thing which is which is

2497
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:15,520
absolutely untrue by the way we'd have

2498
01:38:19,860 --> 01:38:18,250
consistency in at least most of the

2499
01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:19,870
cases if either one of those things was

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01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:21,880
true so whether they do it intentionally

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01:38:27,690 --> 01:38:25,330
I think would depend on the ghost and

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01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:27,700
depend on the circumstance and there's

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01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:29,170
also some evidence that shows that in

2504
01:38:31,650 --> 01:38:30,460
some of the hauntings the imprints that

2505
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:31,660
something about the environment does

2506
01:38:36,110 --> 01:38:33,130
something to the to the electronic

2507
01:38:37,890 --> 01:38:36,120
equipment as well so it's tough to know

2508
01:38:39,570 --> 01:38:37,900
unless you actually have somebody

2509
01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:39,580
communicating asking the ghost in that

2510
01:38:44,370 --> 01:38:42,580
moment why'd you do that you know what

2511
01:38:45,540 --> 01:38:44,380
was this about and it may be that

2512
01:38:46,459 --> 01:38:45,550
they're just doing it to let you know

2513
01:38:48,259 --> 01:38:46,469
that they're there

2514
01:38:49,879 --> 01:38:48,269
we don't know actually where the effect

2515
01:38:52,759 --> 01:38:49,889
is so for example we had a case in

2516
01:38:54,679 --> 01:38:52,769
Florida and on the case with me was a

2517
01:38:56,029 --> 01:38:54,689
gent by the name of Martin Caidin who

2518
01:38:57,889 --> 01:38:56,039
was the creator of the six million

2519
01:38:59,839 --> 01:38:57,899
dollar man a consultant to NASA science

2520
01:39:01,489 --> 01:38:59,849
writer science fiction writer and he had

2521
01:39:04,429 --> 01:39:01,499
taken us this place called Ashley's pub

2522
01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:04,439
not far from the Cape people as far back

2523
01:39:06,619 --> 01:39:05,699
as the sixties the original seven

2524
01:39:08,389 --> 01:39:06,629
astronauts some of them had had

2525
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:08,399
experiences in this place with the

2526
01:39:13,069 --> 01:39:10,050
ghosts there and a lot of people had

2527
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,079
seen physical phenomena and entity an

2528
01:39:16,819 --> 01:39:15,119
apparition appearing and as we're there

2529
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:16,829
we have a problem with our camera

2530
01:39:19,849 --> 01:39:18,570
battery which is a full battery just you

2531
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:19,859
know charging it starts beeping and

2532
01:39:24,859 --> 01:39:22,050
telling us that it's drained so it stops

2533
01:39:26,540 --> 01:39:24,869
we go outside to the to the van to get

2534
01:39:28,369 --> 01:39:26,550
another couple batteries and as soon as

2535
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:28,379
we walk outside the building the battery

2536
01:39:31,879 --> 01:39:30,449
shows full again and it's working

2537
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:31,889
go back inside within a couple of

2538
01:39:35,299 --> 01:39:33,119
minutes it's drained again we're at Lisa

2539
01:39:37,129 --> 01:39:35,309
shows that it's dead that almost sounds

2540
01:39:40,729 --> 01:39:37,139
like the effect you get sometimes with

2541
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,739
the UFO case yeah and the question is

2542
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:42,239
whether or not the battery was actually

2543
01:39:46,399 --> 01:39:44,129
drained into recharge probably not it

2544
01:39:48,199 --> 01:39:46,409
probably was that for whatever reason

2545
01:39:50,839 --> 01:39:48,209
the contact was not being made anymore

2546
01:39:52,459 --> 01:39:50,849
so it looked like was being drained it's

2547
01:39:53,989 --> 01:39:52,469
the same as with our magnetic field

2548
01:39:55,639 --> 01:39:53,999
detectors you know frankly I don't know

2549
01:39:58,909 --> 01:39:55,649
we're really measuring a magnetic field

2550
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,919
change or a ghost or something is making

2551
01:40:02,810 --> 01:40:00,719
the indicator start moves to make it

2552
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:02,820
look like there's a field change mmm

2553
01:40:07,879 --> 01:40:05,129
that's interesting you know most people

2554
01:40:09,290 --> 01:40:07,889
would just assume that the equipment is

2555
01:40:11,209 --> 01:40:09,300
working properly and that they're

2556
01:40:14,089 --> 01:40:11,219
actually picking something up that there

2557
01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:14,099
is and I've never really thought about

2558
01:40:19,909 --> 01:40:16,409
that you know it could be a manipulation

2559
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:19,919
by the body of energy form well itself

2560
01:40:24,409 --> 01:40:22,409
and we also you need to put in the the

2561
01:40:26,810 --> 01:40:24,419
patate possible effect and manipulation

2562
01:40:28,669 --> 01:40:26,820
by the operators one of the things we

2563
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:28,679
know in parapsychology is there's

2564
01:40:31,399 --> 01:40:30,090
something called an experimenter effect

2565
01:40:34,279 --> 01:40:31,409
which we could extend the observer

2566
01:40:36,889 --> 01:40:34,289
effect sure yeah and you know we all

2567
01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:36,899
have a little bit of PK ourselves and we

2568
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:39,030
can influence things ourselves some of

2569
01:40:43,939 --> 01:40:41,489
what people get with EVP it's likely

2570
01:40:45,859 --> 01:40:43,949
coming from them not from any sort of

2571
01:40:47,659 --> 01:40:45,869
spirits or at least coming through them

2572
01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:47,669
the same thing goes with any of our

2573
01:40:52,489 --> 01:40:50,369
other effects - you mentioned EVPs now

2574
01:40:54,979 --> 01:40:52,499
there's a lot of reliance on that

2575
01:40:56,899 --> 01:40:54,989
particular yeah phenomenon on these

2576
01:40:58,759 --> 01:40:56,909
shows where do you come down on EVPs do

2577
01:41:00,180 --> 01:40:58,769
you do you know some people say that

2578
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:00,190
it's it's just the cheap elec

2579
01:41:03,570 --> 01:41:01,210
Sonic's in the handheld digital

2580
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:03,580
recorders similar to digital flashes

2581
01:41:10,020 --> 01:41:07,810
producing orbs and cameras there's a lot

2582
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:10,030
of crappy EVPs I mean let's face it

2583
01:41:14,130 --> 01:41:11,920
there's a lot of unusual sounds and the

2584
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:14,140
problem with with the EVP is you have to

2585
01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:15,310
make sure you have a second recorder

2586
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:17,200
going to make sure that and preferably

2587
01:41:21,210 --> 01:41:19,330
close by the first one so that if the

2588
01:41:23,220 --> 01:41:21,220
person was subvocal Isaac under their

2589
01:41:25,470 --> 01:41:23,230
breath there was some other sound it was

2590
01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:25,480
an actual audible sound then you'd have

2591
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:27,880
it on both recorders typically if we're

2592
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:29,110
talking about digital recorders audio

2593
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,220
recorders you know cassette recorders

2594
01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:32,080
were a problem because on occasion they

2595
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:33,190
could actually pick up stray radio

2596
01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:35,890
signals CB radio especially and they

2597
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:37,030
even would pick up the sound of their

2598
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:38,410
own motors so that was a problem that

2599
01:41:41,700 --> 01:41:39,730
you don't have with the digital

2600
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:41,710
recorders anymore but there's an

2601
01:41:47,070 --> 01:41:44,560
interpretation Ultherapy and you have to

2602
01:41:48,510 --> 01:41:47,080
rule those things out and then just

2603
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:48,520
because you're hearing a voice that says

2604
01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:50,710
I'm over here doesn't mean that that's

2605
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:53,140
the spirit that's in the house if there

2606
01:41:58,020 --> 01:41:56,320
are spirits at all we've had I do work

2607
01:41:59,580 --> 01:41:58,030
with psychics as well and on occasion

2608
01:42:01,980 --> 01:41:59,590
some of the seconds I've worked with

2609
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:01,990
have have had a tell this tell the

2610
01:42:05,550 --> 01:42:03,850
ghosts who have followed them around

2611
01:42:06,780 --> 01:42:05,560
because they wanted to talk to somebody

2612
01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:06,790
kind of like in the movie ghosts with

2613
01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:08,590
Whoopi Goldberg's character they had to

2614
01:42:12,030 --> 01:42:10,300
tell them to shut up and let the ghost

2615
01:42:14,850 --> 01:42:12,040
who's present speak through the EVP at

2616
01:42:17,610 --> 01:42:14,860
all if anything's going on plus we have

2617
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,620
the really interesting finding that in

2618
01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:19,360
money of the ghost hunting groups that

2619
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:21,550
report a lot of EVPs it seems like the

2620
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:23,410
same person gets EVPs over and over

2621
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:25,450
again and no one else in the group does

2622
01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:27,730
or very few other people do so there's

2623
01:42:32,220 --> 01:42:29,680
something about the operator getting

2624
01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:32,230
that electronic voice right now that is

2625
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:33,700
different than the other people in the

2626
01:42:37,980 --> 01:42:35,290
group if in fact there are spirits

2627
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:37,990
present and it may be the operators

2628
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:39,730
affecting the device or making it easier

2629
01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:41,050
for the device to be affected by

2630
01:42:46,050 --> 01:42:43,120
something now in the movie ghost it was

2631
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,060
all about the Patrick Swayze character

2632
01:42:51,390 --> 01:42:48,400
hanging out because he was murdered and

2633
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:51,400
wanted to capture the real murderer who

2634
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:53,530
turned out to be his best friend played

2635
01:42:57,660 --> 01:42:55,810
by Tony Goldwyn who currently by the way

2636
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:57,670
is in that TV show I think revenge

2637
01:43:01,680 --> 01:42:59,290
replaced the President of the United

2638
01:43:03,420 --> 01:43:01,690
States all right right right and of

2639
01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:03,430
course he's Goldwyn being the famous

2640
01:43:08,820 --> 01:43:05,800
movie family that Goldwyn mm-hmm

2641
01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:08,830
remember that but yeah I realistic is

2642
01:43:13,089 --> 01:43:11,140
that is that about a ghost hangs around

2643
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:13,099
because of the unfinished work

2644
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:16,010
and once that happens whatever they

2645
01:43:20,259 --> 01:43:18,530
meant to do whenever they tried to do if

2646
01:43:22,270 --> 01:43:20,269
that's accomplished the ghost goes away

2647
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:22,280
is that anything close to the reality

2648
01:43:25,989 --> 01:43:24,530
that's one of the reasons although it

2649
01:43:27,790 --> 01:43:25,999
doesn't have to be because they were

2650
01:43:29,770 --> 01:43:27,800
murdered it could be because simply they

2651
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:29,780
needed to say goodbye to family members

2652
01:43:33,369 --> 01:43:31,489
sure or it needed to pass along a

2653
01:43:35,020 --> 01:43:33,379
message but unfinished business I think

2654
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:35,030
that it depends on what you would

2655
01:43:38,169 --> 01:43:36,409
consider unfinished certainly a murder

2656
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:38,179
will be unfinished if you're kind of

2657
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,449
it's not solved but other kinds of

2658
01:43:44,469 --> 01:43:43,280
unfinished business it's dependent on

2659
01:43:46,449 --> 01:43:44,479
the individual I think the reasons why I

2660
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:46,459
go stick around or range from the same

2661
01:43:49,810 --> 01:43:48,320
reasons that any individual goes to any

2662
01:43:51,909 --> 01:43:49,820
place so any human being they're human

2663
01:43:55,689 --> 01:43:51,919
so they have that the movie ghosts

2664
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,699
otherwise had a lot of basis in people's

2665
01:43:59,319 --> 01:43:57,199
experiences and the way we have

2666
01:44:01,119 --> 01:43:59,329
interpreted that ghosts appear if you

2667
01:44:03,639 --> 01:44:01,129
remember in that movie he Swayze's

2668
01:44:05,709 --> 01:44:03,649
character had to learn how to move

2669
01:44:08,619 --> 01:44:05,719
something and he got that from that's

2670
01:44:10,179 --> 01:44:08,629
the ghost Vinci Farrelly who was the the

2671
01:44:12,250 --> 01:44:10,189
subway ghost was knocking newspapers out

2672
01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:12,260
of people's hands as it happens the film

2673
01:44:16,659 --> 01:44:14,510
writer the screenwriter actually used my

2674
01:44:18,849 --> 01:44:16,669
first book and a book by D Scott Rogo

2675
01:44:20,889 --> 01:44:18,859
one of my colleagues as research

2676
01:44:22,989 --> 01:44:20,899
material for that script for the movie

2677
01:44:25,209 --> 01:44:22,999
ghost you know that's very interesting

2678
01:44:27,699 --> 01:44:25,219
how the fact is even with a fictional

2679
01:44:30,250 --> 01:44:27,709
movie you've got research people who

2680
01:44:31,959 --> 01:44:30,260
will go back and try to ground it if

2681
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:31,969
they care about such things and they

2682
01:44:36,849 --> 01:44:34,129
don't get caring I think ghosts they did

2683
01:44:38,259 --> 01:44:36,859
care about oh yeah definitely he really

2684
01:44:40,119 --> 01:44:38,269
cared about and there been a few people

2685
01:44:42,549 --> 01:44:40,129
who have really I've consulted with with

2686
01:44:43,929 --> 01:44:42,559
TV writers on occasion and with

2687
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screenwriters in fact I'm actually doing

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01:44:49,419 --> 01:44:46,429
a talk at the great Americans pitch fest

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in LA in Burbank in June which will be

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addressing Hollywood screenwriters and

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will be doing a workshop next September

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for screenwriters and TV writers of

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dramatic shows and comedy shows not the

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reality shows I want to ask you one of

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the questions about a TV show in a

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the way he has a website which is linked

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to from the para cast so if you go to

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2765
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:02,420
Steinberg so talking about TV Patricia

2766
01:48:06,670 --> 01:48:04,910
Arquette yeah ladies in the TV show

2767
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:06,680
medium and by the way she's doing a

2768
01:48:14,050 --> 01:48:11,600
pilot now for a new CSI spin-off totally

2769
01:48:16,570 --> 01:48:14,060
away from this ok so she has psychic

2770
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,580
powers week after week for what four or

2771
01:48:20,980 --> 01:48:18,560
five years that show continued on TV on

2772
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:20,990
two different networks how close to

2773
01:48:25,420 --> 01:48:23,360
reality was it well I actually have met

2774
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:25,430
and sat down with Allison do I actually

2775
01:48:29,230 --> 01:48:26,810
know her a little bit sure and her

2776
01:48:30,340 --> 01:48:29,240
husband Joe personality-wise a bit of a

2777
01:48:32,020 --> 01:48:30,350
personality difference between

2778
01:48:35,050 --> 01:48:32,030
petitioner Arquette's character and

2779
01:48:36,490 --> 01:48:35,060
Alison's Alison doesn't have dreams she

2780
01:48:38,620 --> 01:48:36,500
doesn't work the way that that it was

2781
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,630
indicated in the show she doesn't need

2782
01:48:41,290 --> 01:48:39,920
to go to sleep and have the dreams of

2783
01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:41,300
people and it doesn't quite work that

2784
01:48:48,340 --> 01:48:45,320
way but she did have and has had real

2785
01:48:51,130 --> 01:48:48,350
cases with the DA and with the police

2786
01:48:54,430 --> 01:48:51,140
departments in Arizona so you know it's

2787
01:48:56,440 --> 01:48:54,440
based in her work but each case is not

2788
01:48:57,580 --> 01:48:56,450
based on stuff that she did just like

2789
01:49:00,040 --> 01:48:57,590
there have been other shows that have

2790
01:49:02,770 --> 01:49:00,050
been based supposedly on real situations

2791
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:02,780
and sometimes it's it's really based on

2792
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:04,970
the general character but not

2793
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:07,040
necessarily about the specifics of what

2794
01:49:10,930 --> 01:49:08,810
that person has done and she doesn't

2795
01:49:13,180 --> 01:49:10,940
look anything like Patricia Arquette

2796
01:49:16,540 --> 01:49:13,190
Patricia Arquette it is attractive I

2797
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:16,550
will say that Allison's a knockout and I

2798
01:49:18,820 --> 01:49:17,570
will say you know the other what's

2799
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:18,830
interesting is that Joe the character

2800
01:49:22,780 --> 01:49:20,810
Joe her husband that's a lot he's a lot

2801
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:22,790
closer to the actual Joe I think they're

2802
01:49:26,650 --> 01:49:24,320
really not they're really nice people by

2803
01:49:29,230 --> 01:49:26,660
the way I character he played a serial

2804
01:49:31,570 --> 01:49:29,240
killer in the following the fellow who

2805
01:49:34,570 --> 01:49:31,580
played her husband immediate right but

2806
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:34,580
he got knocked off early on in case you

2807
01:49:37,330 --> 01:49:35,450
watch that show

2808
01:49:39,130 --> 01:49:37,340
there you go well that brings up the

2809
01:49:42,460 --> 01:49:39,140
subject of mediums and I'm

2810
01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:42,470
say going into some of the haunted sites

2811
01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:45,260
that I did a number of years ago has a

2812
01:49:48,820 --> 01:49:47,540
camera person audio person and someone

2813
01:49:51,130 --> 01:49:48,830
that's actually kind of signing off on

2814
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:51,140
the evidence chain I have worked with a

2815
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:53,420
number of mediums and I'll tell you one

2816
01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:55,850
person that really really impressed me

2817
01:50:00,700 --> 01:49:58,190
was Amy Allen who's on the show the dead

2818
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:00,710
files and I'm pretty sure some people

2819
01:50:04,660 --> 01:50:02,210
out there are familiar with that show

2820
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,670
but but I'll tell you I've seen Amy work

2821
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:07,040
and I was the one that made sure she

2822
01:50:10,420 --> 01:50:09,050
didn't know where she had no idea where

2823
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:10,430
we were going not even the name of the

2824
01:50:16,420 --> 01:50:14,090
town and we shielded her as much as we

2825
01:50:18,490 --> 01:50:16,430
possibly could from knowing where she

2826
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:18,500
was going to actually be working and the

2827
01:50:22,930 --> 01:50:20,210
information that she came up with was

2828
01:50:24,670 --> 01:50:22,940
stunning I mean I was absolutely stunned

2829
01:50:27,820 --> 01:50:24,680
at some of the things that she was able

2830
01:50:30,490 --> 01:50:27,830
to to determine walking through some of

2831
01:50:32,620 --> 01:50:30,500
these haunted sites and in my estimation

2832
01:50:35,170 --> 01:50:32,630
there's no way that that she could have

2833
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,180
known that information beforehand so

2834
01:50:39,580 --> 01:50:36,800
that brings up the whole question of

2835
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:39,590
mediumship what is it with a person like

2836
01:50:42,850 --> 01:50:40,850
Amy Allen or

2837
01:50:45,460 --> 01:50:42,860
some of these mediums out there that

2838
01:50:48,130 --> 01:50:45,470
actually seem and appear to have real

2839
01:50:50,230 --> 01:50:48,140
talents give us a sense of what it takes

2840
01:50:52,180 --> 01:50:50,240
to for a person to have those types of

2841
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:52,190
talents it's tough to say what it takes

2842
01:50:54,850 --> 01:50:53,330
for someone who certainly takes

2843
01:50:56,020 --> 01:50:54,860
recognition that they have it and a lot

2844
01:50:58,120 --> 01:50:56,030
of times it takes recognition from

2845
01:50:59,920 --> 01:50:58,130
childhood and and also growing up in a

2846
01:51:02,170 --> 01:50:59,930
family that doesn't dismiss the

2847
01:51:03,130 --> 01:51:02,180
experiences welcome talk them down and

2848
01:51:05,170 --> 01:51:03,140
that's typically what happens to people

2849
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:05,180
generally with psychic ability I'm

2850
01:51:08,860 --> 01:51:06,530
president of the Forever Family

2851
01:51:11,950 --> 01:51:08,870
Foundation which works with mediums to

2852
01:51:14,350 --> 01:51:11,960
support family grieving and supports

2853
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:14,360
research in survival of bodily death

2854
01:51:17,470 --> 01:51:15,770
especially mediumship and I'm on the

2855
01:51:20,230 --> 01:51:17,480
advisory board of the wind bridge

2856
01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:20,240
Institute in Tucson Arizona that has

2857
01:51:25,570 --> 01:51:23,450
done significantly controlled research

2858
01:51:27,100 --> 01:51:25,580
with a number of mediums in fact if you

2859
01:51:28,630 --> 01:51:27,110
go to their website wind bridge dorg

2860
01:51:30,820 --> 01:51:28,640
there's a list of their research mediums

2861
01:51:33,490 --> 01:51:30,830
who went through a one-year process with

2862
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:33,500
multiple blind conditions distance

2863
01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:36,290
conditions to do readings to show that

2864
01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:38,840
they'd actually have ability and those

2865
01:51:41,710 --> 01:51:39,860
folks are available for other

2866
01:51:43,570 --> 01:51:41,720
researchers to to work with as well

2867
01:51:45,940 --> 01:51:43,580
as well as doing private readings and

2868
01:51:47,170 --> 01:51:45,950
such years a few years ago I wrote I did

2869
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:47,180
some research on my own work with

2870
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:49,070
mediums and psychics and did a paper on

2871
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:51,890
it there are abilities that people have

2872
01:51:53,979 --> 01:51:52,489
you

2873
01:51:55,390 --> 01:51:53,989
kind of like creative abilities I think

2874
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:55,400
it's almost like musical talent and

2875
01:51:59,770 --> 01:51:57,110
artistic ability that that's innate it's

2876
01:52:00,970 --> 01:51:59,780
there a lot of people have it that may

2877
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:00,980
not realize that they have it and that

2878
01:52:04,450 --> 01:52:01,850
can be brought out

2879
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:04,460
but psychics people who are psychic have

2880
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,110
different talents in different areas so

2881
01:52:08,650 --> 01:52:08,000
not all psychics talk to ghosts or can

2882
01:52:10,630 --> 01:52:08,660
hear from them

2883
01:52:12,970 --> 01:52:10,640
not all psychics can do healing not all

2884
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:12,980
psychics can do precognition it just

2885
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:15,710
really depends on what kinds of aptitude

2886
01:52:20,380 --> 01:52:17,090
they might actually have the same with

2887
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:20,390
creative talents in general and what I

2888
01:52:25,390 --> 01:52:24,050
do find is the mediums themselves very

2889
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:25,400
differently than a lot of psychics have

2890
01:52:29,740 --> 01:52:28,130
serious interest in understanding their

2891
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:29,750
abilities and even in the research

2892
01:52:34,270 --> 01:52:32,719
that's going on and they otherwise you

2893
01:52:35,650 --> 01:52:34,280
know I've met so many of the mediums you

2894
01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:35,660
would never know that they were psychics

2895
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:37,400
or mediums just by hanging out with them

2896
01:52:40,630 --> 01:52:39,050
unless they told you because they're

2897
01:52:42,370 --> 01:52:40,640
regular people that just happen to have

2898
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:42,380
this ability and I think that seems to

2899
01:52:46,810 --> 01:52:44,810
be an indicator or somebody who's truly

2900
01:52:49,690 --> 01:52:46,820
genuine because their ego is not focused

2901
01:52:52,180 --> 01:52:49,700
on completely living in that world where

2902
01:52:54,610 --> 01:52:52,190
we do see that with some psychics who

2903
01:52:55,930 --> 01:52:54,620
become divas essentially and are next to

2904
01:52:59,709 --> 01:52:55,940
impossible to work with whether they're

2905
01:53:03,580 --> 01:52:59,719
real or not yeah I aim is a good example

2906
01:53:05,890 --> 01:53:03,590
of that she has learned actually a long

2907
01:53:08,290 --> 01:53:05,900
time ago how to turn it on and how to

2908
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:08,300
turn it off and I think that's important

2909
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,310
if oh yeah you're going to be able to

2910
01:53:16,030 --> 01:53:13,280
utilize your ability and retain your

2911
01:53:17,979 --> 01:53:16,040
sanity exactly exactly you have to be

2912
01:53:20,380 --> 01:53:17,989
you can't be open to that that you know

2913
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:20,390
to your non the non-physical world you

2914
01:53:24,850 --> 01:53:22,610
might say all the time because you would

2915
01:53:27,580 --> 01:53:24,860
go crazy yeah yeah you'd go nuts you

2916
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:27,590
know talking to dead people all the time

2917
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,650
could could probably do a number on your

2918
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:32,480
head well you brought up you know

2919
01:53:36,810 --> 01:53:35,450
talents and innate abilities I have

2920
01:53:39,550 --> 01:53:36,820
another question from Paul to worst

2921
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:39,560
which is a good one and he's wondering

2922
01:53:44,770 --> 01:53:42,320
our creative outgoing people who are

2923
01:53:46,150 --> 01:53:44,780
said to score highest and EVP tests also

2924
01:53:49,810 --> 01:53:46,160
more likely to have a paranormal

2925
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:49,820
experience it it seems that we have

2926
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:51,440
through the laboratory research we do

2927
01:53:54,970 --> 01:53:52,850
know that people who were extroverted

2928
01:53:57,070 --> 01:53:54,980
alcorn tend to be more likely to be

2929
01:53:59,440 --> 01:53:57,080
psychic or at least to perform well in

2930
01:54:01,300 --> 01:53:59,450
psychic testing and and there are ESP

2931
01:54:03,790 --> 01:54:01,310
and piqué testing than the people who

2932
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:03,800
are more introverted creativity is an

2933
01:54:07,180 --> 01:54:05,930
absolute connection

2934
01:54:09,790 --> 01:54:07,190
creative people have scored

2935
01:54:12,460 --> 01:54:09,800
significantly higher at all ranges of

2936
01:54:16,030 --> 01:54:12,470
different types of parapsychological

2937
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,040
testing so that's a big big piece there

2938
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:17,840
of course not everybody's extroverted

2939
01:54:21,250 --> 01:54:19,370
all the time and even introverts can be

2940
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:21,260
extroverts sometimes and it seems like

2941
01:54:25,390 --> 01:54:23,690
the the action of extraversion allows

2942
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:25,400
you to kind of open yourself up and

2943
01:54:28,570 --> 01:54:27,050
rather than being introspective and

2944
01:54:29,790 --> 01:54:28,580
second-guessing yourself I think a lot

2945
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,800
of it has to do with second-guessing

2946
01:54:35,140 --> 01:54:32,000
even the remote viewers who work for the

2947
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:35,150
army and the Stargate project those

2948
01:54:40,510 --> 01:54:38,210
folks had to learn to go with what first

2949
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:40,520
came to them and not to use too much

2950
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,370
analysis of that right up front they had

2951
01:54:47,950 --> 01:54:45,440
to let it flow and then do the analysis

2952
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:47,960
after the flow was done yeah because

2953
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you're just gonna get in your own way

2954
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:51,530
right I had to go into remote viewing

2955
01:54:58,210 --> 01:54:54,800
very briefly we have had shows focusing

2956
01:55:01,480 --> 01:54:58,220
on what was done decades ago are they

2957
01:55:03,370 --> 01:55:01,490
still trying to do that or what well I

2958
01:55:05,020 --> 01:55:03,380
as it happens I have a new book coming

2959
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:05,030
out I'm the third author in a book

2960
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called ESP Wars which is about the US

2961
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and Russian programs a co-author of that

2962
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:13,280
the main author is Ed May who was the

2963
01:55:18,820 --> 01:55:15,230
head of who ran the Stargate program

2964
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:18,830
from 85 to 95 to its closure and the

2965
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:20,450
viewers themselves are still working on

2966
01:55:25,330 --> 01:55:22,880
more kind of private sector and other

2967
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:25,340
types of research and and jobs there's

2968
01:55:28,810 --> 01:55:26,930
been no indication that the government

2969
01:55:30,910 --> 01:55:28,820
our government is doing anything with

2970
01:55:32,230 --> 01:55:30,920
remote viewing and even the viewers who

2971
01:55:33,220 --> 01:55:32,240
still have kind of connection in there

2972
01:55:34,750 --> 01:55:33,230
have said that that's not really

2973
01:55:36,910 --> 01:55:34,760
happening that they have no interest in

2974
01:55:38,170 --> 01:55:36,920
doing that sort of thing and it's

2975
01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:38,180
because it's such a political hot potato

2976
01:55:42,910 --> 01:55:40,310
and actually our book is as much if not

2977
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more about the politics of how these

2978
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programs even started both in the US and

2979
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the Soviet Union and why they ended and

2980
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:49,460
why they aren't continuing as anything

2981
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:51,410
else and there's really interesting bits

2982
01:55:55,870 --> 01:55:52,730
about the Soviet we have contributions

2983
01:55:58,480 --> 01:55:55,880
from Nicholas sham who was the the

2984
01:56:00,730 --> 01:55:58,490
second-in-command of the KGB and also

2985
01:56:03,310 --> 01:56:00,740
general xe7 who was involved with the

2986
01:56:05,230 --> 01:56:03,320
KGB and ran some of the the psychic

2987
01:56:07,150 --> 01:56:05,240
training programs over there which are a

2988
01:56:08,740 --> 01:56:07,160
little bit eye-opening and not in the

2989
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way that conspiracy theorists are going

2990
01:56:17,170 --> 01:56:13,030
to be happy with well tell us maybe why

2991
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these programs work out as intended they

2992
01:56:22,030 --> 01:56:19,340
did work but what Kay

2993
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the intention of course with any sort of

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program where you're trying to do

2995
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intelligence is that you get really good

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intelligence and psychic phenomena does

2997
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not work at 100% in fact they what they

2998
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had was about 15% of the remote viewings

2999
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for these they were tasked with certain

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things targets they had to do and 15

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percent of them had very detailed

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actionable intelligence however that's

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about that at that time and it may have

3004
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changed by now but at that time late

3005
01:56:56,020 --> 01:56:54,230
night and mid 90s that was the the

3006
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percentage of actionable intelligence

3007
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coming from our normal sources way more

3008
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field agents so they figured that a it

3009
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was it wasn't costing that much was

3010
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about a million a year so it wasn't

3011
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really that much but it was a political

3012
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hot potato number one if nth people you

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know when people found out about it and

3014
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also the it wasn't any better they said

3015
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than the intelligence they were getting

3016
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from the the in the field sources

3017
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already although it's a lot safer I

3018
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would think because people were sitting

3019
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in a room rather than of course it's a

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we end to another country and getting

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caught and getting tortured Lloyd

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viewing not reliable enough well if it's

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as reliable as on-site intelligence mmm

3131
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but you mentioned here about private

3132
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industry has it moved very much into

3133
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private industry remote viewing I'm

3134
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thinking of industrial espionage I'm

3135
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thinking for example in South Korea

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where Samsung wants to learn what

3137
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Apple's doing for the next iPhone or the

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next iPad and they've got these remote

3139
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viewers in a little room well first of

3140
02:02:29,410 --> 02:02:27,860
all it's never been that detail where

3141
02:02:31,660 --> 02:02:29,420
they could actually go as far as we know

3142
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:31,670
down to circuits that would be a little

3143
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bit you pretty much almost have to train

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the viewers in the tech first made will

3145
02:02:39,850 --> 02:02:37,880
recognize that you know it certainly

3146
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would be possible not that I've heard or

3147
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:41,660
any of the folks who've been involved in

3148
02:02:46,290 --> 02:02:43,490
this have heard it's been applied to

3149
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some investing and it's being applied

3150
02:02:51,490 --> 02:02:48,590
actually the Russians applied it in the

3151
02:02:54,220 --> 02:02:51,500
military in actual field operations back

3152
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:54,230
during the Chechen war they had trained

3153
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:56,030
viewers and trained psychics in the

3154
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tanks on the front lines on occasion to

3155
02:03:01,960 --> 02:02:59,780
help them stay out of trouble why I

3156
02:03:03,250 --> 02:03:01,970
never heard that yeah that's one of the

3157
02:03:04,210 --> 02:03:03,260
things we got in the book and there's

3158
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:04,220
there's some really interesting things

3159
02:03:08,140 --> 02:03:05,570
that I learned about the Russians

3160
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:08,150
including the fact that a lot of what we

3161
02:03:11,740 --> 02:03:10,370
got from the seventies from the that

3162
02:03:13,060 --> 02:03:11,750
psychic discoveries behind the Iron

3163
02:03:14,830 --> 02:03:13,070
Curtain and a lot of trips that people

3164
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:14,840
American scientists wait on it went over

3165
02:03:20,350 --> 02:03:17,330
to the Soviet Union a lot of that was I

3166
02:03:22,210 --> 02:03:20,360
guess you could say BS that was not

3167
02:03:24,580 --> 02:03:22,220
directed at us however it wasn't like

3168
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:24,590
they were it was propaganda for the West

3169
02:03:29,470 --> 02:03:27,290
what it was was internal propaganda as

3170
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:29,480
they were trying to keep the labs open

3171
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:31,490
so they basically the scientists and

3172
02:03:35,950 --> 02:03:32,960
even the people running the labs the

3173
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:35,960
fifty like locations were kind of over

3174
02:03:40,150 --> 02:03:37,970
exaggerating what they were able to find

3175
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:40,160
and what they could actually do the job

3176
02:03:44,500 --> 02:03:43,130
already it was job security and so you

3177
02:03:45,700 --> 02:03:44,510
know it's kind of interesting to see

3178
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that they they're no different than us

3179
02:03:50,110 --> 02:03:48,740
you know let's let's make stuff up to

3180
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keep the money flowing that's that seems

3181
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:51,260
to be the the name of

3182
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when it comes to bureaucracy on both

3183
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sides is that a problem with private

3184
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industry though in terms of remote

3185
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viewing itself or anything like that

3186
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:03,080
well the only private industry that I

3187
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:07,040
know of that for a short time tried to

3188
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:09,110
do some research and work on this area

3189
02:04:13,090 --> 02:04:11,570
with sony Sony there was the head of

3190
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:13,100
Sony a number of years ago I think was

3191
02:04:17,260 --> 02:04:15,290
in the late 90s actually sponsored and

3192
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:17,270
put some money into an ESP lab in Japan

3193
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:19,280
because he was personally interested in

3194
02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:20,780
when he either passed away or I think

3195
02:04:26,350 --> 02:04:23,360
was P passed away that stopped it was

3196
02:04:29,530 --> 02:04:26,360
cut again you know because it's got this

3197
02:04:31,180 --> 02:04:29,540
academic thing to it and the bias is

3198
02:04:34,030 --> 02:04:31,190
there and people make fun of ridicule

3199
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:34,040
and it's crazy because you want to try

3200
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to make use of whatever tools you can

3201
02:04:38,830 --> 02:04:36,860
it's the same problem we have with

3202
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:38,840
psychics working with police that Police

3203
02:04:43,450 --> 02:04:40,400
Department's have to do it on the on the

3204
02:04:45,130 --> 02:04:43,460
on the sly because if if it comes out

3205
02:04:47,170 --> 02:04:45,140
then not only do the skeptics jump all

3206
02:04:49,150 --> 02:04:47,180
over them oh right for wasting public

3207
02:04:50,710 --> 02:04:49,160
money which there's very little money

3208
02:04:52,330 --> 02:04:50,720
involved in that when psychics work with

3209
02:04:54,190 --> 02:04:52,340
police but then you also have the

3210
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:54,200
Christian Right who starts jumping all

3211
02:04:57,820 --> 02:04:55,520
over a ribbon over this because it's

3212
02:05:00,670 --> 02:04:57,830
it's of the devil so you have both ends

3213
02:05:03,250 --> 02:05:00,680
of this where people get hampered in

3214
02:05:05,980 --> 02:05:03,260
order to be able to do something yeah

3215
02:05:07,570 --> 02:05:05,990
well that leads me to an interesting

3216
02:05:09,550 --> 02:05:07,580
question we're kind of shifting gears

3217
02:05:11,860 --> 02:05:09,560
here down to Oh bees or out-of-body

3218
02:05:14,860 --> 02:05:11,870
experiences this is another question

3219
02:05:16,930 --> 02:05:14,870
from SRL from our threat at forum dr.

3220
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:16,940
Perik asked calm and he's wondering if

3221
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:19,250
you're familiar with a recent about four

3222
02:05:23,590 --> 02:05:21,440
years ago he says study involving

3223
02:05:25,420 --> 02:05:23,600
out-of-body experiences and emergency

3224
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:25,430
rooms and he says apparently there were

3225
02:05:28,930 --> 02:05:27,440
symbols placed in obscure locations in

3226
02:05:31,480 --> 02:05:28,940
emergency rooms scattered throughout a

3227
02:05:34,330 --> 02:05:31,490
dozen or so different hospital locations

3228
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:34,340
in the hope that those experiencing OBEs

3229
02:05:38,620 --> 02:05:36,560
would happen to notice as symbols while

3230
02:05:40,510 --> 02:05:38,630
in that state are you familiar with this

3231
02:05:42,130 --> 02:05:40,520
yeah I mean this is there are still

3232
02:05:43,900 --> 02:05:42,140
hospitals that have a few things it's

3233
02:05:46,780 --> 02:05:43,910
actually the OB that might accompany a

3234
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:46,790
near-death experience because that's the

3235
02:05:50,650 --> 02:05:49,040
kind of OB you'd have and what if you're

3236
02:05:52,150 --> 02:05:50,660
in an emergency room emergency room or

3237
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:52,160
not or an operating theatre for that

3238
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:54,290
matter the study has not been finished

3239
02:05:58,630 --> 02:05:56,570
you know the data is not in on that that

3240
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:58,640
is all based on a research study that

3241
02:06:04,660 --> 02:06:01,280
Charles Hart did back in the 60s with

3242
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:04,670
and 70s with OB years where

3243
02:06:09,010 --> 02:06:06,890
he had them resting on a bed and he had

3244
02:06:10,150 --> 02:06:09,020
a series of numbers on a shelf high

3245
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:10,160
above the ceiling you know near the

3246
02:06:14,620 --> 02:06:13,040
ceiling and they were to look at those

3247
02:06:15,790 --> 02:06:14,630
numbers when they floated to the ceiling

3248
02:06:17,620 --> 02:06:15,800
and there was some success with that

3249
02:06:19,150 --> 02:06:17,630
something similar was done by the

3250
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:19,160
American Society for psychical research

3251
02:06:23,590 --> 02:06:21,410
instead of a shelf there was an optical

3252
02:06:25,090 --> 02:06:23,600
system that was created for Alex Tanis

3253
02:06:28,090 --> 02:06:25,100
who was the psychic who did this work

3254
02:06:30,100 --> 02:06:28,100
from an - flowed out from an isolation

3255
02:06:31,900 --> 02:06:30,110
room and flowed into the the lab where

3256
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,910
he would look and see this specially

3257
02:06:35,470 --> 02:06:33,920
constructed optical illusion that was

3258
02:06:37,209 --> 02:06:35,480
charted on a computer and he also had to

3259
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:37,219
try to affect something physical in

3260
02:06:41,140 --> 02:06:38,719
between and that research actually you

3261
02:06:43,180 --> 02:06:41,150
can see a video on that on YouTube if

3262
02:06:45,340 --> 02:06:43,190
you go to my YouTube channel - Lloyd

3263
02:06:48,430 --> 02:06:45,350
Auerbach on YouTube or if you just put

3264
02:06:50,110 --> 02:06:48,440
in a SPR OBE experiment that'll actually

3265
02:06:51,700 --> 02:06:50,120
take you to it as well and it's a 20

3266
02:06:53,110 --> 02:06:51,710
minute video that was originally it's

3267
02:06:54,910 --> 02:06:53,120
kind of an extended video that was

3268
02:06:57,220 --> 02:06:54,920
edited together from some raw footage

3269
02:06:59,560 --> 02:06:57,230
shot by independent network news back in

3270
02:07:02,110 --> 02:06:59,570
83 let me ask you in general about

3271
02:07:04,510 --> 02:07:02,120
paranormal powers is this something

3272
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:04,520
we're born with is this something we

3273
02:07:09,729 --> 02:07:06,730
develop is this something that maybe

3274
02:07:12,370 --> 02:07:09,739
humans had centuries ago but

3275
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:12,380
civilization kind of suppressed it well

3276
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:14,330
it seems to be innate it seems like

3277
02:07:19,660 --> 02:07:17,090
people do have these abilities at least

3278
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:19,670
the aptitude for the abilities kids tend

3279
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:21,770
to be much more psychic than adults we

3280
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:24,170
either grow out of it or we are educated

3281
02:07:27,550 --> 02:07:25,850
out of it kind of burned out of us just

3282
02:07:30,580 --> 02:07:27,560
by the process of our parents and

3283
02:07:31,930 --> 02:07:30,590
society telling us it's not real it's so

3284
02:07:33,370 --> 02:07:31,940
it is something people can develop and

3285
02:07:34,750 --> 02:07:33,380
trial it's occasionally people have

3286
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:34,760
reportedly developed these abilities

3287
02:07:38,860 --> 02:07:36,890
because of a physical trauma or

3288
02:07:40,660 --> 02:07:38,870
sometimes a psychological trauma as well

3289
02:07:42,010 --> 02:07:40,670
it kind of brings them either back out

3290
02:07:43,450 --> 02:07:42,020
or brings them out entirely

3291
02:07:44,410 --> 02:07:43,460
there is something that's there it's not

3292
02:07:46,300 --> 02:07:44,420
like something that you're suddenly

3293
02:07:48,130 --> 02:07:46,310
blessed with all of a sudden that you

3294
02:07:50,770 --> 02:07:48,140
never had before it's it's it's resident

3295
02:07:53,229 --> 02:07:50,780
in you to start with as far as evolution

3296
02:07:54,939 --> 02:07:53,239
is concerned you know it's possible we

3297
02:07:57,310 --> 02:07:54,949
can't we don't really know for sure how

3298
02:07:58,959 --> 02:07:57,320
much people use this but we do know that

3299
02:08:02,050 --> 02:07:58,969
certain indigenous peoples around the

3300
02:08:03,939 --> 02:08:02,060
world to this day still claim to be able

3301
02:08:05,260 --> 02:08:03,949
to telepathically communicate with one

3302
02:08:06,820 --> 02:08:05,270
another from a distance of the

3303
02:08:08,740 --> 02:08:06,830
Australian Aborigines that are still

3304
02:08:10,419 --> 02:08:08,750
nomadic claim that and there's some

3305
02:08:12,130 --> 02:08:10,429
evidence for that certain cultures they

3306
02:08:13,630 --> 02:08:12,140
claim to be able to teach people or have

3307
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:13,640
healing abilities that the rest of us

3308
02:08:17,050 --> 02:08:15,410
haven't developed again they can do that

3309
02:08:18,580 --> 02:08:17,060
because they believe in it we are

3310
02:08:20,260 --> 02:08:18,590
culturally or any culture

3311
02:08:22,090 --> 02:08:20,270
created out of reliance on these

3312
02:08:23,950 --> 02:08:22,100
abilities because we don't really need

3313
02:08:26,980 --> 02:08:23,960
them I mean frankly well we see an

3314
02:08:29,950 --> 02:08:26,990
application and a real use for psychic

3315
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:29,960
ability and police work or in espionage

3316
02:08:34,180 --> 02:08:32,090
and other things that stuff is it's not

3317
02:08:36,010 --> 02:08:34,190
like a day-to-day life thing it doesn't

3318
02:08:38,050 --> 02:08:36,020
really help us on a day-to-day basis our

3319
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:38,060
normal senses and especially the other

3320
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:39,770
sources of information we have around us

3321
02:08:44,290 --> 02:08:42,560
now especially today kind of override

3322
02:08:45,820 --> 02:08:44,300
the need for a lot of psychic

3323
02:08:47,230 --> 02:08:45,830
information because there's so much

3324
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:47,240
there people certainly want to know

3325
02:08:51,550 --> 02:08:49,730
about the future but that's always been

3326
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:51,560
a shaky thing that's not ever been

3327
02:08:55,660 --> 02:08:53,210
something we could ever really rely on

3328
02:08:58,180 --> 02:08:55,670
as Yoda said you know always in motion

3329
02:09:00,370 --> 02:08:58,190
is the future well when we're quoting

3330
02:09:01,420 --> 02:09:00,380
Yoda I mean that's the pinnacle of

3331
02:09:03,940 --> 02:09:01,430
success right there

3332
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:03,950
I mean well remember Yoda also said

3333
02:09:10,090 --> 02:09:06,170
there is no try there is only do hey

3334
02:09:11,770 --> 02:09:10,100
that's important for psychokinesis we

3335
02:09:12,970 --> 02:09:11,780
have about a minute left before we break

3336
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:12,980
do you have another question we could

3337
02:09:17,530 --> 02:09:15,170
start with yeah I've never heard of this

3338
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:17,540
particular experiment one of our posters

3339
02:09:23,650 --> 02:09:20,480
Canon cars is it asking about your take

3340
02:09:24,730 --> 02:09:23,660
on the skull experiments sco le I'm not

3341
02:09:26,170 --> 02:09:24,740
sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly

3342
02:09:28,030 --> 02:09:26,180
yeah that's correct the skull

3343
02:09:29,500 --> 02:09:28,040
experiments were done in England it was

3344
02:09:32,290 --> 02:09:29,510
a group of researchers who got together

3345
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:32,300
in somebody's basement with only one X

3346
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:34,490
access point they did it in the dark

3347
02:09:38,740 --> 02:09:36,770
because they're sort of basing this on

3348
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:38,750
the Philip experiment which wasn't done

3349
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:39,770
necessarily in the dark but they're

3350
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:41,810
basing on the old time seances and the

3351
02:09:45,310 --> 02:09:44,090
idea was they're going to try to do

3352
02:09:48,460 --> 02:09:45,320
what's called a sitter group and try to

3353
02:09:50,230 --> 02:09:48,470
contact spirits and see what whether it

3354
02:09:52,270 --> 02:09:50,240
was their own abilities kind of coming

3355
02:09:54,850 --> 02:09:52,280
out or something beyond that they would

3356
02:09:57,010 --> 02:09:54,860
find out and they had some success

3357
02:09:59,440 --> 02:09:57,020
reported significant success reported

3358
02:10:01,060 --> 02:09:59,450
and everything from flashes of physical

3359
02:10:02,890 --> 02:10:01,070
light that appeared in the dark which

3360
02:10:04,990 --> 02:10:02,900
they caught on camera as it happens to

3361
02:10:06,250 --> 02:10:05,000
messages from extensible spirits

3362
02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:06,260
although it's hard to know whether they

3363
02:10:10,660 --> 02:10:08,090
real actual spirits since there was no

3364
02:10:12,460 --> 02:10:10,670
corroboration from anybody no real good

3365
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:12,470
information that was verifiable more

3366
02:10:16,450 --> 02:10:14,480
advice type stuff I'll tell you what

3367
02:10:17,200 --> 02:10:16,460
let's go into more of this answer in our

3368
02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:17,210
next segment

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02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:19,190
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probably won't hear anywhere else here

3472
02:14:56,060 --> 02:14:53,519
that George Noory so this particular

3473
02:14:58,879 --> 02:14:56,070
experiment Lloyd any more details about

3474
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:58,889
what they learn from it well you know

3475
02:15:02,330 --> 02:15:01,199
they they learned in terms of what they

3476
02:15:04,609 --> 02:15:02,340
learned I mean they learned that they

3477
02:15:06,169 --> 02:15:04,619
were successful they were able to it was

3478
02:15:07,699 --> 02:15:06,179
a five year investigation looking at

3479
02:15:10,219 --> 02:15:07,709
life after death they believe that they

3480
02:15:12,469 --> 02:15:10,229
got significant evidence for interaction

3481
02:15:14,149 --> 02:15:12,479
with people on the other side and it was

3482
02:15:16,370 --> 02:15:14,159
done by some researchers who were

3483
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:16,380
extremely careful about making sure that

3484
02:15:20,839 --> 02:15:19,650
there wasn't any fraud going on

3485
02:15:22,549 --> 02:15:20,849
you know there's quite a bit of

3486
02:15:23,899 --> 02:15:22,559
information about it on the web and on

3487
02:15:25,429 --> 02:15:23,909
Facebook they have their own page on

3488
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,439
Facebook and there's even a documentary

3489
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:27,599
called the afterlife investigations that

3490
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:29,760
was done with some of the skull people

3491
02:15:34,580 --> 02:15:32,249
and I was actually involved in that as

3492
02:15:36,319 --> 02:15:34,590
well several books on the subject and

3493
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:36,329
you know they were very outstanding

3494
02:15:39,469 --> 02:15:37,530
results because they had so much

3495
02:15:41,629 --> 02:15:39,479
physical stuff that had happened that

3496
02:15:43,580 --> 02:15:41,639
given the people involved we can be sure

3497
02:15:45,469 --> 02:15:43,590
were being faked by people they're not

3498
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:45,479
doing it now though they're not doing it

3499
02:15:49,399 --> 02:15:47,130
now this is this was back in the 1990s

3500
02:15:51,799 --> 02:15:49,409
oh I see okay well you mentioned the the

3501
02:15:54,169 --> 02:15:51,809
Philip experiment and burn State one of

3502
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:54,179
our very active posters that formed out

3503
02:16:00,379 --> 02:15:56,400
the parrot cast calm is very interested

3504
02:16:02,839 --> 02:16:00,389
in your take on on the Philip experiment

3505
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:02,849
from the 70s and he wonders if this

3506
02:16:07,489 --> 02:16:04,650
really does speak to different powers of

3507
02:16:09,709 --> 02:16:07,499
the mind yeah the philippic sperm was

3508
02:16:13,279 --> 02:16:09,719
all about psychokinesis this group in

3509
02:16:15,409 --> 02:16:13,289
toronto did this based on the research

3510
02:16:17,029 --> 02:16:15,419
and model of psychokinesis mind over

3511
02:16:19,909 --> 02:16:17,039
matter created by kenneth Bachelder

3512
02:16:22,850 --> 02:16:19,919
looking at what prevents us from being

3513
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,860
psychokinetic setting up a situation in

3514
02:16:26,659 --> 02:16:24,719
which you could get past things like

3515
02:16:27,859 --> 02:16:26,669
witness inhibition you know in our

3516
02:16:29,540 --> 02:16:27,869
culture and most cultures around the

3517
02:16:31,489 --> 02:16:29,550
world seeing something fly around the

3518
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:31,499
room you try to deny that it happened or

3519
02:16:35,870 --> 02:16:34,290
don't believe it at all we are inhibited

3520
02:16:37,129 --> 02:16:35,880
from even witnessing and admitting that

3521
02:16:38,660 --> 02:16:37,139
we witness this stuff because everybody

3522
02:16:40,189 --> 02:16:38,670
will say you're crazy there's also

3523
02:16:42,379 --> 02:16:40,199
something called in psychokinesis called

3524
02:16:43,969 --> 02:16:42,389
ownership resistance which is it's

3525
02:16:46,129 --> 02:16:43,979
pretty it for most people it's a pretty

3526
02:16:47,540 --> 02:16:46,139
scary wall we'd be cool to move things

3527
02:16:49,820 --> 02:16:47,550
with your mind it's also a really scary

3528
02:16:51,530 --> 02:16:49,830
thing to think about your mind your

3529
02:16:53,209 --> 02:16:51,540
thoughts being turned into action

3530
02:16:55,189 --> 02:16:53,219
especially unconsciously without you

3531
02:16:57,320 --> 02:16:55,199
consciously directing something there's

3532
02:16:58,219 --> 02:16:57,330
a fear-based piece here and a cultural

3533
02:17:00,290 --> 02:16:58,229
piece that prevents you from being

3534
02:17:00,860 --> 02:17:00,300
psychokinetic so how do you get past

3535
02:17:02,750 --> 02:17:00,870
that

3536
02:17:04,250 --> 02:17:02,760
what the Filip folks did is they set up

3537
02:17:06,110 --> 02:17:04,260
a situation where they were doing kind

3538
02:17:09,050 --> 02:17:06,120
of a seance they had a couple people

3539
02:17:10,459 --> 02:17:09,060
designated as mediums and the

3540
02:17:13,490 --> 02:17:10,469
researchers were mediums were pretty

3541
02:17:15,050 --> 02:17:13,500
much supposed to make this a fun thing

3542
02:17:16,730 --> 02:17:15,060
so they actually faked a few things they

3543
02:17:18,860 --> 02:17:16,740
kept track of what they faked but it was

3544
02:17:20,330 --> 02:17:18,870
all based on the idea of we're gonna

3545
02:17:22,610 --> 02:17:20,340
contact the spirit that never existed

3546
02:17:25,430 --> 02:17:22,620
they made up a character named Phillip

3547
02:17:27,980 --> 02:17:25,440
they gave him a complete backstory they

3548
02:17:29,780 --> 02:17:27,990
had the fake mediums fake a couple

3549
02:17:31,640 --> 02:17:29,790
things to get people laughing they

3550
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:31,650
basically set up a party atmosphere and

3551
02:17:35,810 --> 02:17:33,770
eventually it started getting Rats

3552
02:17:39,230 --> 02:17:35,820
unexplained raps and other physical

3553
02:17:42,379 --> 02:17:39,240
phenomena that responded in accordance

3554
02:17:45,290 --> 02:17:42,389
to Philips back history his backstory so

3555
02:17:46,820 --> 02:17:45,300
in essence the information was known to

3556
02:17:48,379 --> 02:17:46,830
all members of the group so it was never

3557
02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:48,389
thought to be coming from the outside of

3558
02:17:51,800 --> 02:17:50,370
any about any one group member and it's

3559
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:51,810
hard to know whether it was a single

3560
02:17:54,860 --> 02:17:53,280
group member who's unconscious was

3561
02:17:57,740 --> 02:17:54,870
causing the responses or the group

3562
02:17:59,300 --> 02:17:57,750
itself that did this but it kind of was

3563
02:18:01,760 --> 02:17:59,310
the same model that led to the spoon

3564
02:18:04,010 --> 02:18:01,770
bending parties of the late 1970s and

3565
02:18:06,050 --> 02:18:04,020
into the early 80s which were done with

3566
02:18:08,060 --> 02:18:06,060
a group of adults yelling at spoons to

3567
02:18:10,820 --> 02:18:08,070
bend and it's kind of silly but that

3568
02:18:14,030 --> 02:18:10,830
kind of ridiculous situation gets you

3569
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:14,040
well past this idea of owning up to it

3570
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:15,210
or because you don't have to worry about

3571
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:17,610
it I mean it's just a spoon bending or

3572
02:18:22,129 --> 02:18:20,130
Phillip did it you know what a former

3573
02:18:24,140 --> 02:18:22,139
girlfriend of mine back in the seventies

3574
02:18:26,629 --> 02:18:24,150
told me this story where she was

3575
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:26,639
watching Geller Marie Geller on

3576
02:18:30,980 --> 02:18:29,130
television and she had a spoon in her

3577
02:18:33,350 --> 02:18:30,990
hand she looks at the spoon it's bent

3578
02:18:35,720 --> 02:18:33,360
yep now there was no reason for her to

3579
02:18:36,919 --> 02:18:35,730
make this up as outlandish as it might

3580
02:18:38,720 --> 02:18:36,929
have seemed and she was an aspiring

3581
02:18:41,090 --> 02:18:38,730
actress so I thought you know this is

3582
02:18:44,450 --> 02:18:41,100
show business now she was perfectly

3583
02:18:46,010 --> 02:18:44,460
serious about this and so I accepted it

3584
02:18:47,930 --> 02:18:46,020
you know I'm long out of touch with her

3585
02:18:50,840 --> 02:18:47,940
I haven't heard from her in 3040 years

3586
02:18:53,060 --> 02:18:50,850
but you get the point things weird

3587
02:18:55,340 --> 02:18:53,070
things like that did really happen to

3588
02:18:56,810 --> 02:18:55,350
people whether you believe in Geller or

3589
02:18:58,340 --> 02:18:56,820
not right

3590
02:19:01,310 --> 02:18:58,350
you know I regardless of Geller's

3591
02:19:04,490 --> 02:19:01,320
abilities and his real ability was

3592
02:19:05,810 --> 02:19:04,500
motivating people I think that if you

3593
02:19:07,370 --> 02:19:05,820
had anything you can say to about

3594
02:19:08,840 --> 02:19:07,380
anything he's first well he's a great

3595
02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:08,850
motivational speaker as it happens I've

3596
02:19:13,010 --> 02:19:11,250
seen him speak that way but when people

3597
02:19:14,540 --> 02:19:13,020
watch someone and they believe that

3598
02:19:15,740 --> 02:19:14,550
that's real phenomena

3599
02:19:17,690 --> 02:19:15,750
they tend to be able to do it themselves

3600
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:17,700
in fact when I teach psychokinesis this

3601
02:19:23,480 --> 02:19:20,399
is based on Martin cadence model cuz he

3602
02:19:25,730 --> 02:19:23,490
he learned to do PK on his own back in

3603
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:25,740
the late 80s and thru and I met him in

3604
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:28,319
the 1992 it was really interesting

3605
02:19:32,509 --> 02:19:30,569
because when he taught other people it

3606
02:19:33,980 --> 02:19:32,519
was pretty clear that when people tried

3607
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:33,990
to do it on their own even with telling

3608
02:19:37,730 --> 02:19:35,250
him how to do it they didn't have much

3609
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:37,740
success but as soon as they saw someone

3610
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:40,080
else doing it it just opened up this

3611
02:19:43,849 --> 02:19:42,090
flood of people able to do it we did a

3612
02:19:46,459 --> 02:19:43,859
workshop together at the University of

3613
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:46,469
Nebraska back in the early 90s and we

3614
02:19:50,450 --> 02:19:47,969
had people trying to turn to move these

3615
02:19:51,559 --> 02:19:50,460
these small targets and we had one or

3616
02:19:53,540 --> 02:19:51,569
two people able to do it when he

3617
02:19:54,110 --> 02:19:53,550
explained how to do it but when they saw

3618
02:19:56,389 --> 02:19:54,120
him do it

3619
02:19:58,849 --> 02:19:56,399
we had 101 people in the room we had 52

3620
02:20:00,530 --> 02:19:58,859
people actually moving the targets so

3621
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:00,540
it's a matter of seeing and not just

3622
02:20:04,490 --> 02:20:02,970
using the information academically

3623
02:20:07,580 --> 02:20:04,500
seeing is believing

3624
02:20:08,750 --> 02:20:07,590
as unfortunately people think yeah well

3625
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:08,760
that's really interesting

3626
02:20:16,940 --> 02:20:13,130
it just it makes you wonder you know how

3627
02:20:19,370 --> 02:20:16,950
some people may have these abilities in

3628
02:20:22,370 --> 02:20:19,380
it it would take something like that to

3629
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:22,380
trigger it off yeah well you know we can

3630
02:20:24,559 --> 02:20:23,850
take an example from sports here for a

3631
02:20:26,300 --> 02:20:24,569
second

3632
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:26,310
it was physically impossible according

3633
02:20:30,679 --> 02:20:27,930
to all experts to run a four-minute mile

3634
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:30,689
until Roger Bannister did it in 1954 and

3635
02:20:34,849 --> 02:20:33,330
after he did it a few dozen people you

3636
02:20:36,410 --> 02:20:34,859
know it was not too long after that

3637
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:36,420
people started running more than a

3638
02:20:39,889 --> 02:20:37,530
four-minute you know shorter than a

3639
02:20:41,540 --> 02:20:39,899
four-minute mile so we see this in

3640
02:20:44,809 --> 02:20:41,550
athletics all the time where there is a

3641
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:44,819
limit placed on folks and suddenly

3642
02:20:48,410 --> 02:20:46,410
somebody breaks that limit and now a lot

3643
02:20:52,280 --> 02:20:48,420
of other people can break that limit we

3644
02:20:54,740 --> 02:20:52,290
hold ourselves back so once someone else

3645
02:20:58,099 --> 02:20:54,750
does it you feel whatever internal

3646
02:21:00,440 --> 02:20:58,109
impulse exists to find a way to exceed

3647
02:21:03,020 --> 02:21:00,450
that standard or is it just a matter of

3648
02:21:05,780 --> 02:21:03,030
the fact that we're more physically fit

3649
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:05,790
these days our exercise programs are

3650
02:21:10,670 --> 02:21:08,160
more efficient we eat better some of us

3651
02:21:12,500 --> 02:21:10,680
at any rate the more control no part of

3652
02:21:14,540 --> 02:21:12,510
it well I think you should look at the

3653
02:21:15,950 --> 02:21:14,550
what kind of athletic records are being

3654
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:15,960
made these days and unfortunately

3655
02:21:19,550 --> 02:21:17,850
there's a lot of hold back because if

3656
02:21:24,050 --> 02:21:19,560
you perform too well you're being

3657
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:24,060
accused of steroid abuse foo so that

3658
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:26,090
actually is going to hold people back

3659
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,410
you really think that happens

3660
02:21:31,730 --> 02:21:30,720
yeah yeah I'm sure some people are held

3661
02:21:33,410 --> 02:21:31,740
back because of the fear of being

3662
02:21:35,450 --> 02:21:33,420
accused of that and you know just like

3663
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:35,460
you know we have this idea of what's

3664
02:21:40,580 --> 02:21:37,439
possible the limits of human possibility

3665
02:21:43,219 --> 02:21:40,590
and we keep pushing we do keep pushing

3666
02:21:46,100 --> 02:21:43,229
that back that limit back but somebody

3667
02:21:48,530 --> 02:21:46,110
has to actually break past that wall to

3668
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:48,540
show us that the way is clear but even

3669
02:21:53,540 --> 02:21:50,880
if there's a suspicion of steroidal use

3670
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:53,550
a blood test would resolve that pretty

3671
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:55,680
quickly right of course of course but

3672
02:21:59,810 --> 02:21:57,120
you know who wants to be accused of

3673
02:22:01,070 --> 02:21:59,820
anything any wrongdoing especially in

3674
02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:01,080
this day and age but then you have to

3675
02:22:06,620 --> 02:22:03,090
wonder over the years those who have

3676
02:22:10,490 --> 02:22:06,630
excelled at athletic pursuits how many

3677
02:22:12,770 --> 02:22:10,500
of them took some enhancement that

3678
02:22:14,750 --> 02:22:12,780
suspicion whether it is a question right

3679
02:22:18,050 --> 02:22:14,760
but you know if somebody who has had

3680
02:22:21,170 --> 02:22:18,060
these enhancing drugs brakes the brakes

3681
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:21,180
the record and then three other people

3682
02:22:26,060 --> 02:22:23,490
do it without having had those what does

3683
02:22:27,650 --> 02:22:26,070
that say yeah and those people were

3684
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:27,660
trying to do it but they couldn't do it

3685
02:22:31,400 --> 02:22:29,040
and all of a sudden somebody somebody

3686
02:22:33,440 --> 02:22:31,410
else does it so now they can do it what

3687
02:22:36,139 --> 02:22:33,450
does that say we have to learn a lot

3688
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:36,149
more about the human mind and that's

3689
02:22:39,230 --> 02:22:38,010
correct that's right that's good and

3690
02:22:41,330 --> 02:22:39,240
that's that's what we're trying to do in

3691
02:22:44,420 --> 02:22:41,340
parapsychology is understand what our

3692
02:22:46,570 --> 02:22:44,430
capacity is what our consciousness can

3693
02:22:49,580 --> 02:22:46,580
do and what our consciousness is

3694
02:22:52,100 --> 02:22:49,590
wouldn't it be fun to reliably be able

3695
02:22:54,050 --> 02:22:52,110
to do mental telepathy but then how do

3696
02:22:57,020 --> 02:22:54,060
you shut it off and how do you prevent

3697
02:22:58,969 --> 02:22:57,030
someone infringing on your privacy and

3698
02:23:03,020 --> 02:22:58,979
it's a fact that my son and I wrote a

3699
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:03,030
series of sci-fi novels that used mental

3700
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:06,570
telepathy across time and space as kind

3701
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:08,640
of a plot gimmick well you know the good

3702
02:23:12,530 --> 02:23:10,530
news is that it doesn't appear that

3703
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:12,540
anybody can truly read your mind you

3704
02:23:17,090 --> 02:23:15,330
know like a Vulcan mind mind melt it

3705
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:17,100
doesn't seem to work that way and in

3706
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:18,450
fact the psychics who can tell you about

3707
02:23:20,690 --> 02:23:19,680
yourself they're not pulling it out of

3708
02:23:21,639 --> 02:23:20,700
your mind they're you might say that

3709
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:21,649
they're pulling it out of the

3710
02:23:26,510 --> 02:23:24,570
information around you because we seem

3711
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:26,520
to hold information not just in our

3712
02:23:31,010 --> 02:23:28,560
heads but everywhere around us like

3713
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:31,020
objects hold information as well there's

3714
02:23:35,150 --> 02:23:33,840
been research over the years at places

3715
02:23:36,830 --> 02:23:35,160
like the mind Science Foundation which

3716
02:23:39,590 --> 02:23:36,840
was an old lab in Texas doesn't exist

3717
02:23:42,410 --> 02:23:39,600
anymore talking about blocking telepathy

3718
02:23:43,610 --> 02:23:42,420
or blocking your own abilities and

3719
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:43,620
one of the things that I have to teach

3720
02:23:47,780 --> 02:23:45,690
people in my classes when we talk about

3721
02:23:50,180 --> 02:23:47,790
psychic development at all is how to

3722
02:23:51,801 --> 02:23:50,190
shut it down how to block it rather than

3723
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:51,811
just simply opening yourself up why to

3724
02:23:55,460 --> 02:23:53,610
the universe because that brings in too

3725
02:23:57,230 --> 02:23:55,470
much information so it's not that's it's

3726
02:23:59,120 --> 02:23:57,240
actually not tough for people to block I

3727
02:24:01,730 --> 02:23:59,130
know some really excellent psychics who

3728
02:24:03,530 --> 02:24:01,740
simply can't read certain people because

3729
02:24:05,450 --> 02:24:03,540
those people walk in with the intention

3730
02:24:06,860 --> 02:24:05,460
of you know well you have to prove to me

3731
02:24:08,750 --> 02:24:06,870
you're psychic before I'll even let you

3732
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:08,760
tell me anything about myself they

3733
02:24:12,740 --> 02:24:10,650
consciously block it let's not block

3734
02:24:14,511 --> 02:24:12,750
this okay Lloyd our back here for one

3735
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:14,521
more segment with Jeanne and Chris

3736
02:24:20,090 --> 02:24:25,270
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3837
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this is a skirt 70 author of UFO

3838
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mysteries and you're listening to the

3839
02:28:55,340 --> 02:28:52,109
parrot yes this is our final segment

3840
02:28:58,519 --> 02:28:55,350
with parapsychology investigator and

3841
02:29:01,340 --> 02:28:58,529
academic Lloyd Auerbach we have covered

3842
02:29:03,109 --> 02:29:01,350
so much ground in this episode and

3843
02:29:05,149 --> 02:29:03,119
looking at your background Lloyd I had

3844
02:29:06,920 --> 02:29:05,159
no idea where we take this and I'm

3845
02:29:09,139 --> 02:29:06,930
delighted where we've gone with so many

3846
02:29:11,269 --> 02:29:09,149
things left to do Chris you have some

3847
02:29:12,920 --> 02:29:11,279
more questions left yeah I do but before

3848
02:29:15,199 --> 02:29:12,930
I go on to listener questions I have a

3849
02:29:17,899 --> 02:29:15,209
question I remember reading a book I

3850
02:29:20,090 --> 02:29:17,909
believe it was by Lyle Watson called

3851
02:29:24,050 --> 02:29:20,100
the secret life of inanimate objects

3852
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:24,060
sure which absolutely floored me stories

3853
02:29:29,179 --> 02:29:26,489
of cars starting up driving themselves

3854
02:29:31,309 --> 02:29:29,189
around neighborhoods people chasing it

3855
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:31,319
no man apparently in the wheel just

3856
02:29:35,300 --> 02:29:33,359
story after story after story of

3857
02:29:37,880 --> 02:29:35,310
inanimate objects all of a sudden

3858
02:29:41,210 --> 02:29:37,890
developing some sort of I don't know

3859
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:41,220
just a self-directed ability what you

3860
02:29:44,569 --> 02:29:42,810
take on that well how can we explain

3861
02:29:46,279 --> 02:29:44,579
some of these very well-documented cases

3862
02:29:47,779 --> 02:29:46,289
well you know first thing I'd want to

3863
02:29:49,369 --> 02:29:47,789
know is it would have been great to

3864
02:29:50,569 --> 02:29:49,379
actually have a psychic or medium there

3865
02:29:52,039 --> 02:29:50,579
to see whether or not they truly were

3866
02:29:53,989 --> 02:29:52,049
self-directed or there was somebody who

3867
02:29:56,329 --> 02:29:53,999
was around who was directing them yeah

3868
02:29:57,590 --> 02:29:56,339
and it could also some of them reading

3869
02:29:59,239 --> 02:29:57,600
that book as I read that book years ago

3870
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:59,249
some of that was psychokinesis I

3871
02:30:01,849 --> 02:30:00,720
wouldn't say about the car stuff but

3872
02:30:04,609 --> 02:30:01,859
some of that stuff certainly was

3873
02:30:06,949 --> 02:30:04,619
psychokinesis caused by the owners or

3874
02:30:08,539 --> 02:30:06,959
the people who were there right yeah

3875
02:30:10,099 --> 02:30:08,549
because I that always struck me is I

3876
02:30:13,250 --> 02:30:10,109
mean in some of the examples in there

3877
02:30:14,989 --> 02:30:13,260
were just so it's because they they were

3878
02:30:17,269 --> 02:30:14,999
you know Lyle Watson I really had a lot

3879
02:30:21,529 --> 02:30:17,279
of respect for him his book super nature

3880
02:30:24,050 --> 02:30:21,539
I recommend and in so I the veracity I

3881
02:30:25,969 --> 02:30:24,060
think of the of the cases I don't call

3882
02:30:28,609 --> 02:30:25,979
them the question but but some of them

3883
02:30:30,619 --> 02:30:28,619
were such head scratchers that I guess

3884
02:30:33,229 --> 02:30:30,629
the only way you really could explain it

3885
02:30:35,329 --> 02:30:33,239
would be some sort of observer of fact

3886
02:30:37,550 --> 02:30:35,339
or inadvertent psychokinesis or

3887
02:30:39,889 --> 02:30:37,560
something yeah we've had a couple of

3888
02:30:42,409 --> 02:30:39,899
questions here that deal with the whole

3889
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:42,419
subject of demonic entities and poulter

3890
02:30:46,039 --> 02:30:44,010
worst what wonders if you watch the

3891
02:30:48,559 --> 02:30:46,049
conjuring and if you would agree with

3892
02:30:50,210 --> 02:30:48,569
the premise of demonic entities the

3893
02:30:51,439 --> 02:30:50,220
answer the second part is no I do not

3894
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:51,449
agree with the premise of demonic

3895
02:30:53,870 --> 02:30:52,650
entities at all

3896
02:30:55,850 --> 02:30:53,880
I don't even necessarily think that

3897
02:30:57,591 --> 02:30:55,860
there are truly evil ghosts out there

3898
02:30:59,690 --> 02:30:57,601
because it's hard to find a truly evil

3899
02:31:02,511 --> 02:30:59,700
person now people do evil things of

3900
02:31:07,190 --> 02:31:02,521
course and we find a lot of let's just

3901
02:31:08,870 --> 02:31:07,200
say asses who are dead but I do not have

3902
02:31:11,540 --> 02:31:08,880
the religious upbringing to believe in

3903
02:31:13,370 --> 02:31:11,550
demons number one and number two all my

3904
02:31:15,530 --> 02:31:13,380
anthropology training and looking at the

3905
02:31:17,180 --> 02:31:15,540
police across the world what what is one

3906
02:31:20,210 --> 02:31:17,190
person's demon is another person's angel

3907
02:31:22,040 --> 02:31:20,220
both of those things are are of god or

3908
02:31:24,860 --> 02:31:22,050
gods and consequently can't even be

3909
02:31:26,301 --> 02:31:24,870
dealt with with us the way we would

3910
02:31:28,100 --> 02:31:26,311
normally think of it as far as the

3911
02:31:29,480 --> 02:31:28,110
contouring goes you know the author the

3912
02:31:31,220 --> 02:31:29,490
guy who wrote the book with the Warrens

3913
02:31:32,930 --> 02:31:31,230
had did an interview before the movie

3914
02:31:34,551 --> 02:31:32,940
came out claiming that the Warrens

3915
02:31:35,990 --> 02:31:34,561
didn't even give he made a lot of stuff

3916
02:31:37,220 --> 02:31:36,000
up or stuff was made up and he didn't

3917
02:31:39,140 --> 02:31:37,230
believe a lot of what the Warrens told

3918
02:31:41,570 --> 02:31:39,150
him and I actually take him at his word

3919
02:31:42,591 --> 02:31:41,580
having known some of the misstatements

3920
02:31:44,841 --> 02:31:42,601
the Warrens have made over the years

3921
02:31:46,820 --> 02:31:44,851
let's call it that yeah thank you being

3922
02:31:49,190 --> 02:31:46,830
kind yeah I am being kind because that

3923
02:31:50,390 --> 02:31:49,200
you know I'm being kind codes Laureen

3924
02:31:53,480 --> 02:31:50,400
Warren is an older lady and I don't

3925
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:53,490
really want to you know disrespect her

3926
02:31:57,290 --> 02:31:56,160
but I you know I I have to say that I've

3927
02:31:58,460 --> 02:31:57,300
heard her make statements and I heard

3928
02:32:00,860 --> 02:31:58,470
her make statements at a conference a

3929
02:32:05,390 --> 02:32:00,870
few years ago which were patently untrue

3930
02:32:06,470 --> 02:32:05,400
about the Amityville case and their

3931
02:32:08,360 --> 02:32:06,480
involvement with certain

3932
02:32:09,320 --> 02:32:08,370
parapsychologists I knew for a fact that

3933
02:32:11,900 --> 02:32:09,330
weren't true because I knew the people

3934
02:32:13,011 --> 02:32:11,910
involved and so I ended up leaving the

3935
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:13,021
room instead of calling her on it

3936
02:32:15,350 --> 02:32:14,160
because you know she's an older lady it

3937
02:32:18,261 --> 02:32:15,360
could have been senility I don't know

3938
02:32:20,030 --> 02:32:18,271
yeah well that's the it always helps

3939
02:32:22,460 --> 02:32:20,040
when you take the high road I guess in

3940
02:32:24,920 --> 02:32:22,470
these types of you know a good example

3941
02:32:27,110 --> 02:32:24,930
of of actually keeping you know keeping

3942
02:32:31,490 --> 02:32:27,120
quiet instead of jumping up and pointing

3943
02:32:33,591 --> 02:32:31,500
fingers and stuff well here's another

3944
02:32:35,801 --> 02:32:33,601
question from Poulter worst he he fired

3945
02:32:38,301 --> 02:32:35,811
off at least 20 or 30 questions here and

3946
02:32:40,400 --> 02:32:38,311
many of them obviously show that he's

3947
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:40,410
he's pretty up to speed in this subject

3948
02:32:44,990 --> 02:32:42,210
and he's wondering what you think about

3949
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:45,000
the late victim he's infrasound I guess

3950
02:32:49,490 --> 02:32:47,490
infrasound theory and he's wondering it

3951
02:32:51,670 --> 02:32:49,500
can it create the feeling of an unseen

3952
02:32:54,100 --> 02:32:51,680
presence or even visual hallucinations

3953
02:32:56,810 --> 02:32:54,110
first of all what was the victim he was

3954
02:32:59,990 --> 02:32:56,820
on Terry listen a theory I mean Vic

3955
02:33:02,091 --> 02:33:00,000
candy was a researcher doing work some

3956
02:33:04,250 --> 02:33:02,101
extent in parapsychology and he this

3957
02:33:05,630 --> 02:33:04,260
paper actress it was 1998 for the

3958
02:33:06,461 --> 02:33:05,640
society the journal the Society for

3959
02:33:09,490 --> 02:33:06,471
psychical research

3960
02:33:11,711 --> 02:33:09,500
and he noticed that he was seeing

3961
02:33:13,570 --> 02:33:11,721
supposedly you know in a building at his

3962
02:33:15,881 --> 02:33:13,580
university in England that was haunted

3963
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:15,891
and he noticed some seeing shadows out

3964
02:33:19,121 --> 02:33:17,120
of the corner of his eyes and finally

3965
02:33:21,881 --> 02:33:19,131
tracked it back to some vibration of his

3966
02:33:24,011 --> 02:33:21,891
fencing foil which was vibrating a

3967
02:33:25,980 --> 02:33:24,021
response to I think it was a fan or some

3968
02:33:28,501 --> 02:33:25,990
other device some other maintenance

3969
02:33:30,940 --> 02:33:28,511
related thing that was going on

3970
02:33:33,131 --> 02:33:30,950
low-frequency sound he did actually find

3971
02:33:35,921 --> 02:33:33,141
a paper that NASA had written back in 74

3972
02:33:37,690 --> 02:33:35,931
finding that low-frequency sound at 18

3973
02:33:39,610 --> 02:33:37,700
or 19 Hertz vibrates the viscous matter

3974
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:39,620
of the eyeball and causes people can

3975
02:33:42,581 --> 02:33:40,610
cause you to see things out of the

3976
02:33:45,251 --> 02:33:42,591
corner of your eyes low-frequency sound

3977
02:33:47,051 --> 02:33:45,261
which is bass and below bass where we

3978
02:33:48,161 --> 02:33:47,061
can't hear it vibrates parts of our

3979
02:33:50,621 --> 02:33:48,171
bodies and can make us feel

3980
02:33:54,881 --> 02:33:50,631
uncomfortable and that is not any

3981
02:33:57,400 --> 02:33:54,891
clearer than watching horror films even

3982
02:33:58,511 --> 02:33:57,410
going back as far as the 50s and if you

3983
02:34:00,161 --> 02:33:58,521
really check the ones that make you feel

3984
02:34:01,480 --> 02:34:00,171
creeped out you'll find that there's a

3985
02:34:03,631 --> 02:34:01,490
lot of bass or a lot of low frequency

3986
02:34:05,560 --> 02:34:03,641
sound John Carpenter is a master of that

3987
02:34:08,921 --> 02:34:05,570
especially the movie Prince of Darkness

3988
02:34:10,631 --> 02:34:08,931
I think it was and it basically is an

3989
02:34:12,791 --> 02:34:10,641
alternative explanation for some of the

3990
02:34:15,011 --> 02:34:12,801
things that people experience in haunted

3991
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:15,021
places we have to consider that that is

3992
02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:17,210
why they're feeling uneasy or with that

3993
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:18,530
is why they're seeing things out of the

3994
02:34:22,871 --> 02:34:21,200
corner of their eyes it may not be every

3995
02:34:24,461 --> 02:34:22,881
single instance where people are having

3996
02:34:27,400 --> 02:34:24,471
these experiences certainly and you

3997
02:34:29,320 --> 02:34:27,410
can't extrapolate it out for the reason

3998
02:34:31,421 --> 02:34:29,330
why people are seeing ghosts so a

3999
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:31,431
full-figured apparition or ghost is not

4000
02:34:36,791 --> 02:34:34,250
coming from infrasound that's clearly

4001
02:34:38,501 --> 02:34:36,801
not the case let me just ask you a silly

4002
02:34:40,780 --> 02:34:38,511
question here because we were just about

4003
02:34:43,990 --> 02:34:40,790
out of time have you ever run to an

4004
02:34:47,560 --> 02:34:44,000
instance where somebody an individual or

4005
02:34:50,051 --> 02:34:47,570
group specially-equipped the so-called

4006
02:34:53,291 --> 02:34:50,061
haunted house to try to create fake

4007
02:34:55,421 --> 02:34:53,301
effects not a home

4008
02:34:58,841 --> 02:34:55,431
certainly not directed at any of us and

4009
02:34:59,980 --> 02:34:58,851
I've certainly been in places and even

4010
02:35:01,780 --> 02:34:59,990
been involved like with the most Beach

4011
02:35:03,341 --> 02:35:01,790
distillery's effects but not to haunt

4012
02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:03,351
the place it was kind of an in response

4013
02:35:07,051 --> 02:35:05,450
to the haunting already there so I've

4014
02:35:09,131 --> 02:35:07,061
never seen that kind of fraud

4015
02:35:11,890 --> 02:35:09,141
specifically but I do know some studies

4016
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:11,900
that happen in England where folks did

4017
02:35:17,081 --> 02:35:14,450
try to duplicate using the infrasound

4018
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:17,091
and high-frequency sound and magnetic

4019
02:35:20,380 --> 02:35:19,280
field to try to get people to experience

4020
02:35:22,630 --> 02:35:20,390
that same kind of

4021
02:35:24,820 --> 02:35:22,640
as part of an experiment so you can

4022
02:35:26,170 --> 02:35:24,830
duplicate this stuff some extent not

4023
02:35:27,880 --> 02:35:26,180
completely and not the vertical

4024
02:35:29,380 --> 02:35:27,890
information and not some of the other

4025
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:29,390
things that are people were experiencing

4026
02:35:37,420 --> 02:35:34,000
time for one more question Chris yeah

4027
02:35:39,580 --> 02:35:37,430
this is an interesting subject the of

4028
02:35:42,210 --> 02:35:39,590
the trickster and the whole trickster

4029
02:35:45,130 --> 02:35:42,220
element in much of this type of

4030
02:35:46,750 --> 02:35:45,140
phenomenal events and all tourists is

4031
02:35:49,090 --> 02:35:46,760
wondering could trickster entities be

4032
02:35:50,620 --> 02:35:49,100
involved in the more credible a Ouija

4033
02:35:53,770 --> 02:35:50,630
board table tipping moving glass type

4034
02:35:55,660 --> 02:35:53,780
experiences and which he as he puts

4035
02:35:57,970 --> 02:35:55,670
which mostly end with some teens getting

4036
02:36:01,690 --> 02:35:57,980
scared out of their wit's what about the

4037
02:36:03,761 --> 02:36:01,700
tricksters nature of many of these you

4038
02:36:06,810 --> 02:36:03,771
know experiences that people have we

4039
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:06,820
have like a one minute answer

4040
02:36:11,140 --> 02:36:09,050
psychokinesis it's psychokinesis itself

4041
02:36:12,761 --> 02:36:11,150
is sort of our unconscious plays tricks

4042
02:36:15,850 --> 02:36:12,771
on us so there's that and that's

4043
02:36:17,650 --> 02:36:15,860
certainly involved in Ouija boards I'd

4044
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:17,660
say it's human tricksters for the most

4045
02:36:21,250 --> 02:36:19,040
part whether it's unconscious or in the

4046
02:36:24,580 --> 02:36:21,260
case of teens usually one teenager who's

4047
02:36:26,170 --> 02:36:24,590
tricking other teenagers right and I was

4048
02:36:29,261 --> 02:36:26,180
one of those people in my high school

4049
02:36:31,720 --> 02:36:29,271
days with my friends so the truth comes

4050
02:36:33,430 --> 02:36:31,730
out yeah so there is that trickster

4051
02:36:35,500 --> 02:36:33,440
element there it certainly is in

4052
02:36:37,301 --> 02:36:35,510
psychokinesis as we try to pin down the

4053
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:37,311
mechanisms it keeps keeps shifting

4054
02:36:41,430 --> 02:36:39,200
method to do the same thing whether it's

4055
02:36:43,690 --> 02:36:41,440
moving an object or bending a spoon and

4056
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:43,700
so there's that element but whether it's

4057
02:36:47,740 --> 02:36:45,650
trickster entities there's been no

4058
02:36:49,240 --> 02:36:47,750
indication other than a couple of ghost

4059
02:36:51,370 --> 02:36:49,250
cases where the ghost was having fun

4060
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:51,380
with people that there are specific

4061
02:36:54,490 --> 02:36:53,120
entities that are trickster entities and

4062
02:36:58,120 --> 02:36:54,500
in fact a lot of evidence to the

4063
02:36:59,460 --> 02:36:58,130
contrary there you go okay Lloyd

4064
02:37:01,720 --> 02:36:59,470
Auerbach would you tell our listeners

4065
02:37:03,820 --> 02:37:01,730
where they can find more information

4066
02:37:06,910 --> 02:37:03,830
about the things you do and maybe get in

4067
02:37:10,511 --> 02:37:06,920
touch with you sure my main website is

4068
02:37:12,250 --> 02:37:10,521
mind reader comm and they can find my

4069
02:37:15,011 --> 02:37:12,260
email which is Prospera normal at

4070
02:37:16,420 --> 02:37:15,021
gmail.com their contact information is

4071
02:37:18,610 --> 02:37:16,430
there all the events that I'm doing

4072
02:37:20,890 --> 02:37:18,620
putting up find information about my

4073
02:37:22,840 --> 02:37:20,900
courses from there as well and link out

4074
02:37:24,130 --> 02:37:22,850
to a variety of places including the

4075
02:37:26,770 --> 02:37:24,140
Ryan Research Center and the

4076
02:37:28,780 --> 02:37:26,780
parapsychological Association and also I

4077
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:28,790
have another website which is haunted by

4078
02:37:33,150 --> 02:37:30,650
chocolate calm because I also I'm a

4079
02:37:35,011 --> 02:37:33,160
chocolatier as it happens

4080
02:37:37,410 --> 02:37:35,021
and I just specifically want to point

4081
02:37:38,580 --> 02:37:37,420
everybody to two sites the link from

4082
02:37:40,080 --> 02:37:38,590
mind-reader comm one is the

4083
02:37:42,810 --> 02:37:40,090
parapsychological Association which is

4084
02:37:45,210 --> 02:37:42,820
having its big event annual convention

4085
02:37:47,400 --> 02:37:45,220
here in California in August that I'm

4086
02:37:48,990 --> 02:37:47,410
hosting and the other link you could go

4087
02:37:50,250 --> 02:37:49,000
to it's a forever family foundation

4088
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:50,260
which I mentioned earlier in the program

4089
02:37:53,970 --> 02:37:52,090
which supports the work of mediums and

4090
02:37:57,360 --> 02:37:53,980
research on life after death and it's

4091
02:37:59,460 --> 02:37:57,370
free to join okay thank you so much you

4092
02:38:01,890 --> 02:37:59,470
can find Chris O'Brien's site our

4093
02:38:04,110 --> 02:38:01,900
strange planet com where you can buy a

4094
02:38:06,780 --> 02:38:04,120
copy of his new book stalking of the

4095
02:38:08,820 --> 02:38:06,790
herd he'll autograph it you can find us

4096
02:38:12,390 --> 02:38:08,830
on Twitter we're known as the power cast

4097
02:38:14,970 --> 02:38:12,400
we are the power cast on Twitter or find

4098
02:38:17,100 --> 02:38:14,980
us on Facebook where you check out the

4099
02:38:19,730 --> 02:38:17,110
power cast fan club you'll find two of

4100
02:38:23,820 --> 02:38:19,740
them don't ask me why our main site is

4101
02:38:26,761 --> 02:38:23,830
the para cast com we have our forms

4102
02:38:28,560 --> 02:38:26,771
there so you can check out the comments

4103
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:28,570
from your fellow listeners and also ask

4104
02:38:33,780 --> 02:38:31,120
questions of upcoming guests loyd our

4105
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:33,790
back I really really enjoyed this

4106
02:38:38,400 --> 02:38:36,610
segment yeah really thank you so much

4107
02:38:40,500 --> 02:38:38,410
for being on and and really helping

4108
02:38:42,091 --> 02:38:40,510
educate people out there this is this

4109
02:38:44,341 --> 02:38:42,101
has been one of my favorite does shows

4110
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:44,351
thanks thanks appreciate it thanks for

4111
02:38:59,429 --> 02:38:56,550
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

4112
02:39:02,420 --> 02:38:59,439
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

4113
02:39:06,150 --> 02:39:02,430
presentation of making the impossible

4114
02:39:10,660 --> 02:39:06,160
Incorporated tune in next week for a new

4115
02:39:11,970 --> 02:39:10,670
adventure in the para cast